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Post by javaduke on 7/26/2018, 3:04 pm

I guess I'm not the only one who got this from Midway:

[size=32]Discontinued Product Notification[/size]
You requested we notify you when this product was back in-stock; unfortunately the product has been discontinued and will no longer be available from MidwayUSA.

 
Remington Match Bullets 38 Caliber (360 Diameter) 148 Grain Lead Hollow Base Wadcutter Box of 2000 (Bulk Packaged)
Product#: 359814


So what other options do we M52 fanboys have now?

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Post by james r chapman on 7/26/2018, 3:07 pm

1) contact Remington customer service.
2) buy Magnus 148 hbwc
3) buy Zero 148 hbwc
4) Precision Delta 148 hbwc.

clean them in gasoline or naptha, roll them around in 45-45-10, air dry.

They will all shoot good.
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Post by javaduke on 7/26/2018, 3:09 pm

Yeah, I tried them all, Magnus, Zero and PD, they shoot good but cause a lot of barrel leading, which is not the problem with Rem bullets.

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Post by james r chapman on 7/26/2018, 3:11 pm

javaduke wrote:Yeah, I tried them all, Magnus, Zero and PD, they shoot good but cause a lot of barrel leading, which is not the problem with Rem bullets.
note the 45-45-10 topic.
many have found that doing this prevents the leading.
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Post by mikemyers on 7/26/2018, 3:15 pm

Terry, from Magnus Bullets, recommended I try these, no obligation.  He sent a box, and I've shot them ever since.  You guys probably know far more than I do about this, but maybe give his bullets a try.  You couldn't find a nicer person to deal with than Terry!!

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Post by javaduke on 7/26/2018, 3:17 pm

Guess I'll try the 45-45-10 trick. It's an extra hassle, and adds complexity to already complex reloading process, but if there's no other choice, I'll try it.

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Post by mikemyers on 7/26/2018, 3:20 pm

james r chapman wrote:note the 45-45-10 topic.
many have found that doing this prevents the leading.

How do I find this topic?  Is it from long ago?  I tried searching, but nothing showed up....
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Post by mikemyers on 7/26/2018, 3:27 pm

Better photo.....

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Post by lyman1903 on 7/26/2018, 3:32 pm

google 45-45-10 bullet lube, 

there is a sticky over on the cast boolit forum that has instructions, 


and a good read

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Post by mikemyers on 7/26/2018, 4:28 pm

I started to go there, but Google sent me here:


Reminds me of a TV show I loved, Mr. Merlyn.

Also makes me wonder what my life would have been like, had I grown up near the scenes you get to watch when the official part of this video ends. 

I didn't watch the next video that followed - sounds fascinating, but not something that my condominium would appreciate, were I to get involved........
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Post by jglenn21 on 7/26/2018, 7:30 pm

you can get the 45-45-10 pre-mixed at white label lubes

http://www.lsstuff.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4
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Post by 10sandxs on 7/27/2018, 5:46 am

If your removing the lube and replacing it, have you considered powder coating? About the same amount of time and it works great for keeping soft lead out of barrels...

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Post by james r chapman on 7/27/2018, 7:40 am

10sandxs wrote:If your removing the lube and replacing it, have you considered powder coating? About the same amount of time and it works great for keeping soft lead out of barrels...

What's your results with 50 yd testing???
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Post by 10sandxs on 7/27/2018, 7:57 am

I've never tested 38 with powder coating, however with 45 and H&G 68 bullets, there was no difference with the same load in two different guns. If anything the powder coated bullets were slightly more accurate, but not statistically different. Testing was done in a ransom rest bolted to a concrete bench at an indoor 50-yard range. The results are on here somewhere.

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Post by javaduke on 7/27/2018, 8:51 am

Hmm, my experience with coated bullets is exactly the opposite. I tried several different brands of 200gr and 185gr LSWC with powder coating and I couldn't even get a decent accuracy at 25 yards, let alone the 50 yards. Everything I've heard so far about coated bullet is to stay away from them. 
On the other hand I've heard that Bob Palermo from Penn Bullets is working on coated bullets and trying to make them as accurate as non-coated ones, but I don't have any details yet.

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Post by zanemoseley on 7/27/2018, 9:19 am

If you wanna try powder coated bullets with out the hassle of coating them Bayou Bullets has some already done. They have a a 138 BNWC that may work. Personally I don't like the smell of powder coated bullets when you're shooting and don't really see the necessity of it when you're shooting as slow as we do.

http://www.bayoubullets.net/categories/hi-tek-supercoat-bullets/38-357.html?sort=featured&page=2

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Post by 10sandxs on 7/27/2018, 9:24 am

Hitek and powder coating are two different processes. Hi-Tech is a liquid coating that dries, while powder coating is a solid that melts and cures. The only difference I smell when shooting powder coat versus lead is no beeswax.

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Post by LenV on 7/27/2018, 9:45 am

I really don't understand the problem. The 514 from Magnus or Zero (same bullet) does not need anything done to them. Load shoot repeat. I've used thousands of these thru a 52 and different revolvers with no leading problems. I don't have the patience to clean and re-do bullets that work this good already. Also super accurate. My .02

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Post by zanemoseley on 7/27/2018, 9:49 am

I plan on using the Magnus 514 when I get my 1911/38 special. If you are having leading issues it may be related to the OD of the bullets. See if Terry has sizing options or even try the straight from the mold with no sizing at all.

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Post by jglenn21 on 7/27/2018, 11:50 am

I've been shooting a 180 LSWC flat base bullet from Summers for a few years now at the short line. 4.0 of WST. Very soft and accurate. This year I've moved over to shooting the same billet with the HiTec coating from them. I've found no difference in accuracy and a few advantages.. zero lube accumulating in my dies and zero leading.. i clean my barrel by simply running a patch through the bore..

Most of the time  when i use 45-45-10 i simply coat the bullets right over the old lube.
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Post by 10sandxs on 7/27/2018, 11:58 am

javaduke wrote:Hmm, my experience with coated bullets is exactly the opposite. I tried several different brands of 200gr and 185gr LSWC with powder coating and I couldn't even get a decent accuracy at 25 yards, let alone the 50 yards. Everything I've heard so far about coated bullet is to stay away from them. 
On the other hand I've heard that Bob Palermo from Penn Bullets is working on coated bullets and trying to make them as accurate as non-coated ones, but I don't have any details yet.
The quality of the base bullet still controls accuracy. Many of the companies making powder coated bullets make them for the action pistol crowd where accuracy standards are a bit more lenient...

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Post by jglenn21 on 7/27/2018, 12:00 pm

Which is why i like a flat based bullet. Super easy to see rejects as you load
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Post by 10sandxs on 7/27/2018, 12:22 pm

I cast and coat my own. Makes it easy to yell at the supplier  :-)

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Post by Magload on 7/27/2018, 12:23 pm

I have loaded many thousands of powder coated and Hi Tek coated bullets for action shooting.  Getting them from several different companies.  For action shooting bullets and loads that grouped very well at 15 and 20 yards indoors shot terrible at 50 with a RR.  Not saying they can't be made to shoot at 50 I suspect some will but I will stick with Zero and Dardas.  I am using 45 45 10 on the Dardas over their lube and think it is just a hassle that may not be worth my time.  Don
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Post by mikemyers on 7/27/2018, 1:05 pm

zanemoseley wrote:I plan on using the Magnus 514 when I get my 1911/38 special. If you are having leading issues it may be related to the OD of the bullets. See if Terry has sizing options or even try the straight from the mold with no sizing at all.
When I first called Terry at Magnus, we had a long talk about bullets for my Model 52, and he discussed different sizes, which I didn't know anything about.  Terry then  said he'd ship me a box of what he thought would be appropriate.

Terry followed up by saying if these bullets didn't work properly, I should just keep them and he would send me another box of a different size.

By saying that, Terry gained me as a customer for life!  If I could buy the same bullets elsewhere for 20% less, I would still buy them from Terry.  .....this, and all the help he has been to me on the phone.

I posted a photo of the box Terry sent me up above - Len, are you shooting the same ones?
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