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Post by tceva on 8/6/2018, 4:09 am

Yesterday I had a revelation about cleaning up my act.  What would be the WST equivalent to 3.9g of Bullseye?
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Post by james r chapman on 8/6/2018, 4:18 am

Probably 4.1
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Post by cdrt on 8/6/2018, 1:21 pm

Or 4.2, since 3.5 Bullseye equals about 3.8 of WST.  Either should work.
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Post by tceva on 8/6/2018, 3:30 pm

Thank you Gentlemen.
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Post by rreid on 8/6/2018, 8:26 pm

I did exactly what you're contemplating.  4.1 works great and I clean my gun twice a year now, whether it needs it or not.
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Post by orpheoet on 8/7/2018, 2:04 am

rreid wrote:I did exactly what you're contemplating.  4.1 works great and I clean my gun twice a year now, whether it needs it or not.
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Post by tceva on 8/7/2018, 4:47 am

I recently put a 9000sc dot on my 45.  The front glass needs to be cleaned every 100+/- rounds or so.  I was afraid it would be damaged after multiple cleanings.  Thanks for all the responses.
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Post by Chris Miceli on 8/7/2018, 6:44 am

tceva wrote:I recently put a 9000sc dot on my 45.  The front glass needs to be cleaned every 100+/- rounds or so.  I was afraid it would be damaged after multiple cleanings.  Thanks for all the responses.
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did you put oil or grease/lube on the barrel bushing?
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Post by tceva on 8/7/2018, 6:56 am

Yes I do Chris, a drop of amsoil.  I see your point, kind of a trade off.  Indoors it's not so bad, with the air flow the way it is.  Is there something better to lube it with?
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Post by james r chapman on 8/7/2018, 7:06 am

Get yourself those sunshields for the front of your 9000,
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Post by Chris Miceli on 8/7/2018, 7:10 am

tceva wrote:Yes I do Chris, a drop of amsoil.  I see your point, kind of a trade off.  Indoors it's not so bad, with the air flow the way it is.  Is there something better to lube it with?
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Had same problem.. was oil on barrel/bushing not powder. Use tw25b or axle grease and you can go back to all our favorite powder bullseye! As far as AMS oil goes, i think i like it...but waiting on a phone call from the marketing guy.


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Post by joy2shoot on 8/7/2018, 7:25 am

Sorry for being illiterate, but how does oiling the bushing/barrel contact area (which I do with FP10) prevent unburnt Bullseye powder from accumulating on the scope lens (which it still does)?  Or am I totally not getting Chris' point?

p.s. I shoot an Accuracy X and per Steve Huff, grease is a no-no on his guns.

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Post by Chris Miceli on 8/7/2018, 7:47 am

joy2shoot wrote:Sorry for being illiterate, but how does oiling the bushing/barrel contact area (which I do with FP10) prevent unburnt Bullseye powder from accumulating on the scope lens (which it still does)?  Or am I totally not getting Chris' point?

p.s. I shoot an Accuracy X and per Steve Huff, grease is a no-no on his guns.

a lot/most/all of whats getting on the lens is oil not the powder.
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Post by joy2shoot on 8/7/2018, 8:34 am

Chris Miceli wrote:a lot/most/all of whats getting on the lens is oil not the powder.

Thanks for the clarification Chris.  I guess in my case it is 'some' since I did not notice this issue until I switched from N310 to Bullseye and what I see is the 'pepper' specks.  But I will take a closer look for oil buildup.

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Post by lablover on 8/7/2018, 4:27 pm

If I could hijack for just a second.  I shoot 4.0 BE and would like to try wst.  ANy suggestions?  Also, loads listed above? Are they for a slide mounted dot?  I use a slide mounted 9000 S.C. and 11 lb spring.

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Post by Wobbley on 8/7/2018, 4:40 pm

4.0 to 4.2.  WST is just a tad slower than Bullseye.
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Post by Wobbley on 8/7/2018, 4:52 pm

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Post by tceva on 11/11/2018, 5:09 am


lablover wrote:If I could hijack for just a second.  I shoot 4.0 BE and would like to try wst.  ANy suggestions?  Also, loads listed above? Are they for a slide mounted dot?  I use a slide mounted 9000 S.C. and 11 lb spring.
Finally had some time to nail this down.  Many thanks to Tom G. for the motivation.  10lb spring.  KC rebarreled this Les Baer about a year ago.
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Post by lablover on 11/11/2018, 9:25 am

Did you work up to that load of 5.0 gr of wst with the 185 jhp.  Pretty impressive load for sure

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Post by tceva on 11/11/2018, 11:18 am

lablover wrote:Did you work up to that load of 5.0 gr of wst with the 185 jhp.  Pretty impressive load for sure
I was working more with N310, but as the air temps started to cool off, I canned it.
There was no mistaking it when I got close.   I got to 4.6, and things were looking good, but offhand not so good. 
5.0 in the RR was spot on.  Offhand Calls were just right, like it was meant to be.
Air temp on that day was in the low 60's.  The heavy dots really define the more temp sensitive powders.
There are plenty of folks that will argue the temp sensitivity of N310,   for me it was a no go.
The brass I was using was destined for the short line.  Plenty of reloads
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Post by joy2shoot on 11/13/2018, 9:19 am

Alex (or anybody else who wants to chime in), can you tell a difference in the felt recoil between BE powder and WST?  For me, I can tell a difference between my short line BE powder load and my N310 load.  I find N310 to be softer/easier/more manageable/etc.  Thanks.

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Post by Allgoodhits on 11/13/2018, 9:48 am

For me the feeling of equal weight bullets at equal velocities, WST feels softer. The noise is also much less with WST contrasted with BE. Additionally, I believe the blast temperature is much hotter with BE. 

One day I was shooting and there was a slight head wind. I felt a heat wave in the face when I shot BE, not so much with WST. Lastly, I found that the brass was hotter with BE than with WST. The later was discovered, shooting prone one day, and the brass was bouncing off of something and landing near my arm. Verified by shooting a shot, then picking up that piece of brass. Contrasting BE vs WST fired brass.


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Post by tceva on 11/13/2018, 10:52 am

joy2shoot wrote:Alex (or anybody else who wants to chime in), can you tell a difference in the felt recoil between BE powder and WST?  For me, I can tell a difference between my short line BE powder load and my N310 load.  I find N310 to be softer/easier/more manageable/etc.  Thanks.
Thomas, I will second everything you said.  The WST as in the last post seemed to have a much more manageable recoil.  I am using WLP primers, and the cases reflect the cleaner burn.  Do you have to bump up your N310 LL loads this time of year?
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Post by joy2shoot on 11/13/2018, 1:02 pm

Thanks Allgoodhits, good info.
 
Alex, I do notice a change when using N310 in cold weather.  I do not change charge weight.  I try to keep the ammo in the pocket.

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Post by messenger on 11/13/2018, 1:11 pm

joy2shoot wrote:Thanks Allgoodhits, good info.
 
Alex, I do notice a change when using N310 in cold weather.  I do not change charge weight.  I try to keep the ammo in the pocket.

At my match last Saturday after each string I would load my magazines and put them in my pocket with a couple hand warmers that you can buy for a dollar. After scoring, by the time the command to load was given, my magazines were quite warm.

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