45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Go down

45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by GerhardG on 9/7/2018, 9:13 pm

Hi fellow enthusiasts,  I am new to Bullseye and below is not what I would be using anyway, but I enjoy shooting my 44 mag and I noticed some of the same variations in load data as in 45 ACP.
Just for fun, I was wondering about actual powder charge limits.
The Alliant reloading chart shows the following;
200-gr Speer LSWC Unique 5.4 gr max for 790fps
200-gr Speer GDHP Unique 7.3 gr max for 984fps
Oregon Laser cast Standard load
200-gr  Oregon LSCW Unique start 5.0 gr 713fps to a max 6.4 gr for 879fps.
Oregon Laser cast 

I believe the LSWC by Speer is softer than the Oregon Laser cast 200 gr. LSWC which I understand is supposed to be a harder lead. 

My question is can I ignore some of the powder charge load limits and assume a powder load range to be 5 gr start to 7.3 gr max?

PS I believe X-Rings are worth more than Nose rings. Very Happy
avatar
GerhardG

Posts : 15
Join date : 2018-07-30
Age : 64

http://www.midwestpressbrake.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Chris Miceli on 9/7/2018, 9:15 pm

Ignore, Bulleseye  loads are below 800fps For jhp lswc I’m sure you’ll see some in the 6-7 ranges


Last edited by Chris Miceli on 9/7/2018, 10:05 pm; edited 1 time in total
avatar
Chris Miceli

Posts : 2670
Join date : 2015-10-27
Location : Northern Virginia

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Wobbley on 9/7/2018, 10:04 pm

Gerhard:  The reason the Speer LSWC are kept below 800 is that higher and they are prone to leading.  Harder cast bullets top out at 1100.  YMMV.  

All that said Bullseye pistols tend to be downloaded for recoil management,  Powder charges are way down in the 3.5 to 4.5 range and bullet velocities are 750 fps or slower.  Most of these can shoot x-ring size groups at 25 yards all day.
avatar
Wobbley

Posts : 1674
Join date : 2015-02-12

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by BE Mike on 9/8/2018, 8:27 am

Frankly, I'd consider a different powder for match .45 ACP ammo. I don't think that Unique is optimal for the velocities and bullets weights needed in this game. Most competitors use Bullseye, Titegroup, WST, VV 310, etc. The powder charge depends upon a few things, i.e. slide mounted scope, frame mounted scope, iron sights and recoil spring weight. Bullseye shooters are looking for the best accuracy with minimum recoil because we have no power factor to meet. Having said that, if you have a whole bunch of Unique, by all means use it. I don't care for the Speer bullets for bullseye match shooting, and I've tried them. Oregon Laser Cast, on the other hand, are quality. There probably are equally good cast bullets out there that are less pricey. One thing about bullseye shooting is that it has been around so long, that there are a lot of tried and true loads that one can copy. You don't have to reinvent the wheel.
avatar
BE Mike

Posts : 1558
Join date : 2011-07-29
Location : Indiana

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Wobbley on 9/8/2018, 11:41 am

In here Alliant (Hercules) listed 5.1 Unique as a target load with a 200lswc.  Probably a tad stiff today..
http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Freebies/RM/Alliant/Hercules_1987.pdf
avatar
Wobbley

Posts : 1674
Join date : 2015-02-12

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Chris Miceli on 9/8/2018, 12:08 pm

Wobbley wrote:In here Alliant (Hercules) listed 5.1 Unique as a target load with a 200lswc.  Probably a tad stiff today..
http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Freebies/RM/Alliant/Hercules_1987.pdf
i don't think unique runs well at low charges, i hear it doesn't meter that great either. I love bullseye but i think i'm gonna give be-86 a solid try.
avatar
Chris Miceli

Posts : 2670
Join date : 2015-10-27
Location : Northern Virginia

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by PhotoEscape on 9/8/2018, 1:05 pm

HP-38 and A5 might be a good options too.  Unique is good too........... if you weight each charge.  I'm yet to find powder measure that would do the job on its own with it. 
AP
avatar
PhotoEscape

Posts : 191
Join date : 2018-05-15
Location : Northern Illinois, USA

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Wobbley on 9/8/2018, 2:05 pm

I have it on good authority that BE-86 is one of the powders of choice for loading Federal GMM 45 185 SWC.
avatar
Wobbley

Posts : 1674
Join date : 2015-02-12

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Aufidius on 9/8/2018, 6:42 pm

Wobbley wrote:I have it on good authority that BE-86 is one of the powders of choice for loading Federal GMM 45 185 SWC.

Mind sharing what a good starting charge might be?

Aufidius

Posts : 72
Join date : 2018-02-02

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Chris Miceli on 9/8/2018, 7:35 pm

5.2-5.4 I hear
avatar
Chris Miceli

Posts : 2670
Join date : 2015-10-27
Location : Northern Virginia

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Wobbley on 9/8/2018, 11:54 pm

Aufidius wrote:
Wobbley wrote:I have it on good authority that BE-86 is one of the powders of choice for loading Federal GMM 45 185 SWC.

Mind sharing what a good starting charge might be?
5.5 and adjust until you get to 775 fps.
avatar
Wobbley

Posts : 1674
Join date : 2015-02-12

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Gary Wells on 9/9/2018, 9:27 am

Wobbley wrote:I have it on good authority that BE-86 is one of the powders of choice for loading Federal GMM 45 185 SWC.
Not too far back I called Federal and talked to someone that was very familiar with that specific bullet and was told that Federal would not selling any of the components to that load. Since then I have seen only one occasion when the particular bullet, (185 gr. jacketed SWC) and I figured that those might be seconds. So is that particular bullet available and currently sold to the public now?

Gary Wells

Posts : 343
Join date : 2015-09-07

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Chris Miceli on 9/9/2018, 10:51 am

Gary Wells wrote:
Wobbley wrote:I have it on good authority that BE-86 is one of the powders of choice for loading Federal GMM 45 185 SWC.
Not too far back I called Federal and talked to someone that was very familiar with that specific bullet and was told that Federal would not selling any of the components to that load. Since then I have seen only one occasion when the particular bullet, (185 gr. jacketed SWC) and I figured that those might be seconds. So is that particular bullet available and currently sold to the public now?
No the federal jswc is not for sale to the public.
avatar
Chris Miceli

Posts : 2670
Join date : 2015-10-27
Location : Northern Virginia

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Gary Wells on 9/9/2018, 1:45 pm

Many thanks, Chris. I also asked them if the cases used in the Fed GMM .45 auto were the same as their other .45 auto cases. Don't remember their response but they would not sell me any of their cases. They also informed me that every one of the loaded rounds were weighed & screened for safety reasons. They would not tell me what the upper & lower limits were.

Gary Wells

Posts : 343
Join date : 2015-09-07

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by BE Mike on 9/10/2018, 9:27 am

Gary Wells wrote:Many thanks, Chris. I also asked them if the cases used in the Fed GMM .45 auto were the same as their other .45 auto cases. Don't remember their response but they would not sell me any of their cases. They also informed me that every one of the loaded rounds were weighed & screened for safety reasons. They would not tell me what the upper & lower limits were.
I guess that one bad one gets through once in a while. I remember Zins complaining about Federal GMM .45 ACP ammo. He claimed that one round was undercharged and cost him a low 5 or 6 in slow fire at Camp Perry. He switched ammo, and it wasn't Federal.
avatar
BE Mike

Posts : 1558
Join date : 2011-07-29
Location : Indiana

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Toz35m on 9/10/2018, 2:16 pm

Wobbley wrote:
Aufidius wrote:
Wobbley wrote:I have it on good authority that BE-86 is one of the powders of choice for loading Federal GMM 45 185 SWC.

Mind sharing what a good starting charge might be?
5.5 and adjust until you get to 775 fps.

One good load I have is 5.4 BE-86 with Zero LWCHP.  For 25yds I load at 5.5gr so I get no alibis.  It is just at dirty as BE

I have not found a good load in my pistol with a 200gr bullet I have several thousands of.  I also have not tested with any JHP yet.
avatar
Toz35m

Posts : 193
Join date : 2012-10-17
Location : PDX

Back to top Go down

Re: 45 ACP bullet weight Powder charge weight variations

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum