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Post by rd80 on 9/13/2018, 10:22 pm

Hi All,
I’m looking at purchasing my first 1911. I’m strongly considering the Colt Series 1970a1cs. My first question is if I should buy new or used. It looks like the new ones cost around $800 - $900 and the used do not seem to be much less. Is there a difference in quality between new and old? I’m also wondering about the sights. It appears the rear sight can be pretty easily replaced but the front sight I’m not so sure. If anyone has any information, advice, etc it would be appreciated. There are a lot of models out there and it’s hard to wrap my head around. Thank you!

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Post by Wobbley on 9/13/2018, 10:46 pm

Ummm....ummmm....

If you can afford one buy a rock river arms 1911...

If you can’t go with a rock river, then I suggest a Springfield Armory Range Officer Elite Target.
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Post by LenV on 9/13/2018, 11:17 pm

In that price range you could get a 1911 that already has most of what you want for Bullseye. I think adjustable sights is a biggy. Probably for less then it would cost to have sights added/changed on the 1970 you could upgrade to the new series 70 Gold Cup. I think some of the new ones are as pretty as the old ones. The hard part of the decision would be do you want "pretty" or functional? I think the SA Range Officer is butt ugly but they beat the Gold Cup in every other way that is important. Quality, accuracy and cost. After spending 400.00 on my Gold Cup to tune it back up it is now as accurate as my RO (700.00) was out of the box. I also like Kimbers.

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Post by KB2MBC on 9/14/2018, 5:00 am

There's an RO on Gunbroker now, resisting temptation...

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/783581211

Ugly? Ever see a Hi-Point? now that's ugly.

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Post by LenV on 9/14/2018, 9:19 am

Pick out the ugly 1911's Laughing 


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Post by BE Mike on 9/14/2018, 10:12 am

As someone who started out with a new series 70 Colt Gold Cup and still owns two accurized Colt 1911's, my recommendation would be something other than a Colt. Colts aren't accurate enough out-of-the box for bullseye pistol competition. They are far too pricey for what they are. There are better options. Besides a good used accurized bullseye pistol, there are Rock River accurized 1911 pistols. Many bullseye shooters report 10 ring accuracy from Springfield Armory Range Officers, out-of-the box. You can also get something along the lines of a Springfield Armory Mil Spec and have it accurized by one of the recommended bullseye pistolsmiths on this site. Of course, if you go by emotion, you still might want that pistol with that pretty little rampant colt stamped onto it, but if you do, you'll eventually have quite a bundle of money in pistolsmithing by the time it is ready for good scores.
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Post by Wobbley on 9/14/2018, 11:11 am

LenV wrote:Pick out the ugly 1911's Laughing 


They all look terrible.  I’ll give you a dollar each.
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Post by bullseye on 9/14/2018, 11:35 am

I don't compete, but I do own 3 of the new current model Colt Gold Cups in 45acp.
They are great guns, but I've always felt they were not quite up to competition accuracy standards.

Threads like this make me want to take a second look at the Springfield Range Officer.
I got a bad one when they first came out and after Springfield dicked me around for 6 months, 
I swore I'd never buy another Springfield 1911.

Maybe I should reconsider?  I hear a lot of good things about them today.

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Post by Jon Eulette on 9/14/2018, 11:50 am

I have recently built both a new GC and a new RO. The internal machining on the RO is better and the frame to slide fit is tremendously better on RO. External finish on GC is much nicer but you don’t shoot more 10’s because it’s prettier. I like the RO platform for the foundation of a semi-custom pistol. If you’re strapped for cash a RO with fitted bushing, 0.200” slidestop pin and a trigger job will do wonders.
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Post by weber1b on 9/14/2018, 12:55 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:If you’re strapped for cash a RO with fitted bushing, 0.200” slidestop pin and a trigger job will do wonders.
Jon
Could not agree more. I have a Range Officer, with now a fitted Kart barrell, oversize slide stop pin and a drop in KC trigger. Shoots great for not a ton of money.

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Post by KB2MBC on 9/14/2018, 8:14 pm

KB2MBC wrote:There's an RO on Gunbroker now, resisting temptation...

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/783581211
Couldn't resist!   Very Happy

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Post by dapduh2 on 9/14/2018, 9:12 pm

Jon,

In your opinion would any of the Springfield models offer the same quality as the RO for a semi-custom build? ( Loaded, A1, etc)

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Post by LenV on 9/14/2018, 9:17 pm

KB2MBC wrote:
KB2MBC wrote:There's an RO on Gunbroker now, resisting temptation...

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/783581211
Couldn't resist!   Very Happy
Great price. Congrats. I have been outbid for the last time on the PC1911 I was bidding on. I give up easy. It would have been nice to add to safe.

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Post by Jon Eulette on 9/14/2018, 9:22 pm

Any SA pistol can be used. Typically the only touchy spot is frame to slide fit. Some guys are anal Wink and it better have no play. Others are ok with some play. Mil-Spec usually has worst frame to slide play. Some RO are better than others. So if you require tight fitting than they can be welded or accu-railed. Barrel fit can take up majority of the vertical play and some of the horizontal. I’ve shot 880’s with loose frame to slide fit pistols with match fit barrels. Unfortunately they come without front strap checkering. So skateboard tape or get it checkered.
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Post by Ed Hall on 9/14/2018, 10:30 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:... Unfortunately they come without front strap checkering. So skateboard tape or get it checkered.
Jon
Or, my favorite... Tiger Tooth Stippling!

Does anyone still do good stippling?  I've seen some random stippling, but I'm not that fond of it.  I'd have to look, but I think one of my 1911s has random that was done rather harshly and needed high spots removed in the mag well.  If you do stippling, should you use a mag insert to prevent such?

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Post by Ed Hall on 9/14/2018, 10:31 pm

KB2MBC wrote:
KB2MBC wrote:There's an RO on Gunbroker now, resisting temptation...

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/783581211
Couldn't resist!   Very Happy
Congrats!

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