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Post by Mike38 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:34 pm

Is there a list out there on the world wide web that tells the make and model of the pistol used by the National Champion, for say, the past 50 years? Specifically the .22 pistols. There's a list of the person, but what about the equipment? Not that I have any intention of rushing out and buying a pistol just because the 2018 winner used one, I'm curious to know if there is a pattern developing.
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Post by Chris Miceli on Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:33 pm

probably the most winning 22lr is a model 41 or hi standard. AW93 probably most wins in last 20 years thanks to Zins.
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Post by Wile E Coyote on Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:29 am

It's not so much the equipment as it is the 200 lb. gorilla using the equipment.

You'll probably find that the equipment statistics mirror the shooter. If Zins is shooting the AW93, you can't say that the AW93 is winning all the competitions.

It's whatever gun works best for YOU. You can buy all the points you want, but you will have to shoot the winning ones.

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Post by spursnguns on Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:50 am

Chris Miceli wrote:probably the most winning 22lr is a model 41 or hi standard. AW93 probably most wins in last 20 years thanks to Zins.

I believe Mr. Zins used a M41 for many of his winning years.

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Post by BE Mike on Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:13 am

spursnguns wrote:
Chris Miceli wrote:probably the most winning 22lr is a model 41 or hi standard. AW93 probably most wins in last 20 years thanks to Zins.

I believe Mr. Zins used a M41 for many of his winning years.

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I thought it was a Hammerli 208s.
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Post by spursnguns on Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:50 am

BE Mike wrote:
spursnguns wrote:
Chris Miceli wrote:probably the most winning 22lr is a model 41 or hi standard. AW93 probably most wins in last 20 years thanks to Zins.

I believe Mr. Zins used a M41 for many of his winning years.

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I thought it was a Hammerli 208s.

Mr. Zins occasionally monitors this forum.  Perhaps he'll chime in.

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Post by robert84010 on Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:06 am

He will probably confirm all three were used. He might have used a 41 when he started. I know he used a 208s for many wins, and I think the FWB at the end of his active duty wins.

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Post by Mike38 on Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:49 pm

I am a bit surprised that the pistol companies that have winning guns at Camp Perry don't use that win to promote / sell their products. For example, if a Feinwerkbau / Hammerli / Walther / fill in the blank,  was used 10 out of the past 15 years, why not use that as a selling point? Even though as mentioned above, it's more the shooter than the equipment, use the win for advertising. Something like "A Hammerli .22 pistol has been used by the champion 15 out of the past 20 years, and Hammerli has made the podium 20 of the past 20 years."

Reason I'm asking is because on another gun forum a guy just purchased a used High Standard Citation to use in competition, and is having problems with it, and now finding out how difficult it is to find parts. I suggested if he can't find a fix or can't find parts, sell it and get something that's in current production, and has support. The "High Standard-a-holics" got very defensive, and are claiming HS pistols practically fill the line at Camp Perry. Maybe they did 20-30 years ago, but I'm sure now it's much lesser.
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Post by Tim:H11 on Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:05 pm

Interarms website. Get the phone number and ask for Allan. He’ll be able to help with parts probably more than anyone else. Maybe. He was part of the Texas production guns outfit.
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Post by chopper on Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:31 pm

Tim:H11 wrote:Interarms website. Get the phone number and ask for Allan. He’ll be able to help with parts probably more than anyone else. Maybe. He was part of the Texas production guns outfit.
 I agree Jason, I buy parts from his business also, and he's very interesting to talk with.
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Post by BE Mike on Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:14 am

I would think that a large number of 1911 .22 conversions, i.e. Marvel and Nelson, would be used at Camp Perry these days.
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Post by CR10X on Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:49 pm

I am a bit surprised that the pistol companies that have winning guns at Camp Perry don't use that win to promote / sell their products

Probably because most Precision Pistol (Bullseye) shooters generally know it ain't the equipment, it's the operator.  Why waste money advertising if it won't influence the decision process?

I would think that a large number of 1911 .22 conversions, i.e. Marvel and Nelson, would be used at Camp Perry these days.

Check out this year's overall winner's .22 equipment. 

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Post by BE Mike on Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:36 pm

CR10X wrote:
I am a bit surprised that the pistol companies that have winning guns at Camp Perry don't use that win to promote / sell their products

Probably because most Precision Pistol (Bullseye) shooters generally know it ain't the equipment, it's the operator.  Why waste money advertising if it won't influence the decision process?

I would think that a large number of 1911 .22 conversions, i.e. Marvel and Nelson, would be used at Camp Perry these days.

Check out this year's overall winner's .22 equipment. 

CR
I think that what happens at Camp Perry still affects some shooters (not necessarily bullseye shooters) when selecting equipment. Let me guess on the second comment. Is this year's .22 champion (John Zurek) still using a Marvel .22 conversion?
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Post by lablover on Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:38 pm

Where does one find this years list?

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Post by james r chapman on Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:46 pm

What did Shue use???
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Post by robert84010 on Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:48 pm

james r chapman wrote:What did Shue use???
MARVEL!!!!

He builds his own .45's

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Post by Jack H on Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:38 pm

Count 'em
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Post by BE Mike on Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:33 am

Jack H wrote:Count 'em
Love that Korean War era headgear! This photo says so much about the decline in attendance (from military supported shooters to civilians paying their own way). Those Hi Standard "space guns" are cool and no scopes!
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Post by lyman1903 on Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:10 am

Mike38 wrote:I am a bit surprised that the pistol companies that have winning guns at Camp Perry don't use that win to promote / sell their products. For example, if a Feinwerkbau / Hammerli / Walther / fill in the blank,  was used 10 out of the past 15 years, why not use that as a selling point? Even though as mentioned above, it's more the shooter than the equipment, use the win for advertising. Something like "A Hammerli .22 pistol has been used by the champion 15 out of the past 20 years, and Hammerli has made the podium 20 of the past 20 years."

Reason I'm asking is because on another gun forum a guy just purchased a used High Standard Citation to use in competition, and is having problems with it, and now finding out how difficult it is to find parts. I suggested if he can't find a fix or can't find parts, sell it and get something that's in current production, and has support. The "High Standard-a-holics" got very defensive, and are claiming HS pistols practically fill the line at Camp Perry. Maybe they did 20-30 years ago, but I'm sure now it's much lesser.


which model Citation?, 


if the folks at Rimfire Central, or Allan cannot help him, maybe a question on John Stimson's High Power page would generate some help,

have him try Jack First, Numrich, Brownells, and even Ebay,

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Post by Jack H on Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:11 pm

BE Mike wrote:
Jack H wrote:Count 'em
Love that Korean War era headgear! This photo says so much about the decline in attendance (from military supported shooters to civilians paying their own way). Those Hi Standard "space guns" are cool and no scopes!
Space Gun High Standards started 1957 or 58

My Coach and Mentor might be on that line
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Post by Allen Barnett on Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:50 pm

Mostly likely my Dad was there as he was assigned to the Army AMU as a shooter and gunsmith both up until his retirement from the Army in October 1959. After his retirement we moved to San Antonio TX where he then went to work at the Air Force AMU as a gunsmith.

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