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Post by SW-52 on 11/2/2018, 9:36 am

hi people,sorry for my ignorance,but i want to know what is advantage between single stage vs two stage trigger?? thanks!
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Post by Tim:H11 on 11/2/2018, 10:16 am

Not sure advantage is really the right wording. Some prefer it and some don’t. It’ll depend on what you like to shoot and what you shoot well. Doesn’t help much to your actual question but it’s more the reality of it.
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Post by Soupy44 on 11/2/2018, 10:27 am

I come from a smallbore background, so I'm intimately involved with two stage triggers. I've been told that outside of the European guns you won't fine two stage triggers, but I'm new to this.

I'm not sure a two stage would help outside of slowfire. It might even be a little trouble. Most two stage triggers put most of the weight in the first stage, and in sustained fire, I would worry you might touch one off before you're ready. Not in an unsafe way, just not in a way your attention to execution will appreciate. I know this from how my service rifle is set up. I have as much of the 4lbs as I could in the first stage so there is only a few ounces in the second stage. I've thrown some wide shots due to it.

I was initially very against roll triggers since it just felt like creep to me, but I'm opening up to them.might want to give that a try. I'm personally sticking to my crisp break on my 22 as I have gotten used to it (it's a big jump from a 1oz 2-stage). I was hoping to take the time to get used to 3.5 and 4lbs, but I might have and get a short roll.

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Post by dronning on 11/2/2018, 10:34 am

On good 2 stage triggers you can adjust travel length and weight of the stages.  The when you pull the trigger you can "preload" the first stage and only have an 1/4lb left on the second stage before firing.  You can also adjust them so they behave like a roll trigger and roll right on through too.
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If you ever have a chance to shoot a Ruger 10/22 rifle with a Kidd 2 stage trigger, do it, it's probably one of the best triggers out there. - not cheap.

Kidd explaining how a 2 stage trigger works:
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Post by Soupy44 on 11/2/2018, 1:48 pm

Darn it, now I want one.

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Post by 285wannab on 11/2/2018, 2:24 pm

That's an interesting video of the KIDD two stage trigger. I want one of those in my Ruger. lol   How does everyone have their two stage triggers adjusted?

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Post by JNW1 on 11/2/2018, 6:03 pm

I’ve shot a Kidd 2 stage 10/22 trigger.  Remarkable and I consider them a bargain at $300.  Just as good as a 2 stage Anschutz Sporter trigger.  My German air rifle and Russian air pistol have 2 stage triggers and are great, but those are both single shots.  Would love to try one in a cartridge pistol.
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Post by john bickar on 11/2/2018, 11:51 pm

Soupy44 wrote:I'm not sure a two stage would help outside of slowfire. It might even be a little trouble. Most two stage triggers put most of the weight in the first stage, and in sustained fire, I would worry you might touch one off before you're ready. Not in an unsafe way, just not in a way your attention to execution will appreciate. I know this from how my service rifle is set up. I have as much of the 4lbs as I could in the first stage so there is only a few ounces in the second stage. I've thrown some wide shots due to it.

Two-stage triggers are extremely beneficial in sustained fire. Most rapid fire, sport, and standard pistols have them, as do many service rifles (e.g. Jewell). When I handed my service rifle to Jim O'Connell, he squeezed the trigger and said, "Damn I love these old Jewells."

(BTW Soupy44, it sounds like your service rifle trigger is not set up correctly. Try 60/40 or 70/30. Sounds like you're closer to 90/10.)

When you're shooting 5 (well-aimed) shots in 4 seconds at 5 separate targets, it's helpful to have a tactile reference point to let you know that you've taken up 3/4 of the trigger weight before your sights enter into the aiming area.

I'm not going to argue with Jim O'Connell about service rifle triggers, and I'd bet he wouldn't argue with me about rapid fire pistol triggers.

It would be awesome to get one in a 1911.
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Post by Jack H on 11/3/2018, 1:23 am

An off topic question
John, can you name a source for official Rapid Fire target spacing.  Especially a 25 yard equivalent to the metre setup.
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Post by john bickar on 11/3/2018, 1:41 am

Jack H wrote:An off topic question
John, can you name a source for official Rapid Fire target spacing.  Especially a 25 yard equivalent to the metre setup.

Ugh, I used to know this off the top of my head. I think it's 1.5x the width of the black, center-to-center. So if the black is 500mm, the targets should be 750mm center-to-center. Scale down appropriately for 25m (~90%).


The ISSF rulebook will have the official specs. Try Googling "ISSF rules"; they're available for download.
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Post by Ed Hall on 11/3/2018, 11:08 pm

john bickar wrote:
Jack H wrote:An off topic question
John, can you name a source for official Rapid Fire target spacing.  Especially a 25 yard equivalent to the metre setup.

Ugh, I used to know this off the top of my head. I think it's 1.5x the width of the black, center-to-center. So if the black is 500mm, the targets should be 750mm center-to-center. Scale down appropriately for 25m (~90%).


The ISSF rulebook will have the official specs. Try Googling "ISSF rules"; they're available for download.
Back when I was shooting International, ISSF didn't deal with any reduced targets in their rules (that I could find).  I had to search in the USAS rules.  I think you can find some info in this rule book in sections 6.3 and 6.4:

USA Shooting General Technical Rules

The site says these are no longer in use as of 2017, but I know of nothing current.

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Post by SW-52 on 11/4/2018, 9:35 am

Tim:H11 wrote:Not sure advantage is really the right wording. Some prefer it and some don’t. It’ll depend on what you like to shoot and what you shoot well. Doesn’t help much to your actual question but it’s more the reality of it.
thanks Tim.
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Post by SW-52 on 11/4/2018, 9:41 am

dronning wrote:On good 2 stage triggers you can adjust travel length and weight of the stages.  The when you pull the trigger you can "preload" the first stage and only have an 1/4lb left on the second stage before firing.  You can also adjust them so they behave like a roll trigger and roll right on through too.
- Dave

If you ever have a chance to shoot a Ruger 10/22 rifle with a Kidd 2 stage trigger, do it, it's probably one of the best triggers out there. - not cheap.

Kidd explaining how a 2 stage trigger works:
thanks dronning.
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Post by SW-52 on 11/4/2018, 9:43 am

thanks to all people,my question was because top shooters preference is a 208s with two stage trigger!
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Post by Dipnet on 11/13/2018, 12:51 am

I've read and found true from my experience that target shooters prefer 2-stage triggers (distinct segments in trigger pull) whereas hunters prefer a quality single-stage trigger (crisp break which facilitates a clean shot). In my opinion and regardless of design, a great trigger has the following characteristics: short, distinct pre-travel, crisp predictable break, and short reset. These attributes are found in quality triggers of many designs.

I have two hunting rifles with ~3.5-lb trigger pulls, both have the above attributes and are great triggers making the rifles are relatively easy to shoot accurately. The notion of a "hair trigger" (a possibly dangerous light trigger pull) is really an imprecise way to describe aforementioned desirable trigger attributes. The only deer I ever missed was using and unfamiliar (new to me) rifle with a set trigger (popular in Europe; the first trigger sets or makes the seconds trigger ready to fire and latter is typically very light).

I think "hair triggers" are potentially dangerous, especially for novice shooters, for people who have not shot a particular firearm with an ultra-light trigger, and certainly for defensive firearms with nervousness could cause and accidental discharge. Cheers, dipnet
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