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Weighting a Service Pistol for CMP

Post by Soupy44 on 11/2/2018, 10:34 am

I'm curious as to the limits of increasing the weight of a service pistol. I've read the rules, but am unsure which of the following crossed the line:

- Lead tape on the grip externally
- Lead tape on the grip slabs internally
- Wheel weights on interior of the grip
- Weights in the magazine

And does anyone have any other methods for increasing the pistol weight?

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Post by john bickar on 11/2/2018, 10:45 am

Are you built like Frank Goza?
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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on 11/2/2018, 11:02 am

tungsten carbide full length guide rod still available??
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Post by cdrt on 11/2/2018, 11:15 am

I'm sure there were those that felt it necessary to try and increase the weight when we had to shoot hardball, but since the rules allow reloads of just about any configuration, I don't see the point.
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Post by Soupy44 on 11/2/2018, 1:46 pm

I'm 6ft 2in and about 210lbs. I really enjoyed the extra weight I put on my 22 when I added a dot and ergonomic grip with weights in it. I also have a 1/2oz wheel weight in each magazine and I'm in contact with someone to possibly cast weights that will make better use of the space in the magazine below what is needed to load 5 rounds.

I'm sure some of my want for this is partly due to my grip being a bit weaker than recommended. Just want to give it a try and learn from it...without breaking any rules.

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Post by cdrt on 11/2/2018, 4:12 pm

What you suggested in your first post is really contrary to the spirit of the rules.  Metal grip panels are still not allowed.  Bumper pads were not allowed until recently because guys could add weight to them.  Putting weights in the bottom of your magazines would be frowned upon if you were caught.

g) Pistols must have standard, symmetrical grips of wood or synthetic material with no palm swell or thumb rest. Weighted grips, metal grips and Pachmayr-style wrap-around grips are not permitted. The stock must be functionally identical for right or left-hand use.
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Post by Ghillieman on 11/18/2018, 11:50 pm

Soupy44 wrote:I'm curious as to the limits of increasing the weight of a service pistol. I've read the rules, but am unsure which of the following crossed the line:

- Lead tape on the grip externally
- Lead tape on the grip slabs internally
- Wheel weights on interior of the grip
- Weights in the magazine

And does anyone have any other methods for increasing the pistol weight?

Thanks!
Soupy44
None of those are allowed for Service Pistol under the CMP rules. Specifically, it does not meet rule 4.2.1 CMP Service Pistol Requirements, and is not listed under rule 4.2.2 Approved Service Pistol Modifications.
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Post by SmokinNJokin on 11/19/2018, 7:04 am

Tungsten FL guide rod is legal and does make a bit of difference. Nice to have the weight on the forward end. There's really nothing you can do though that will be as significant as increasing grip strength and getting a really aggressive stance.

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Post by Soupy44 on 11/19/2018, 7:01 pm

Thanks everyone! Smallbore and air rifle don't have very restrictive rules. Glad to know the line. Rules are there to preserve the spirit of the game, and my interpretation was that the guns needed to look stock, but internal modifications were legal.

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Post by SmokinNJokin on 12/29/2018, 7:55 pm

Ok so to answer your original question, I know its late but I was bored and weighed some stuff. I love, love the feel of a heavy gun. Takes some getting used to and some endurance, but soaks up recoil and makes for fast recovery. Plus something just feels right about picking up a brick and holding at arms length.

So here's going down the rabbit hole with how you can have a very heavy and 100% CMP legal gun.
I am only listing items that add to non-reciprocating weight (not on slide)

Full length tungsten guide rod weighs 3.0oz (+2.6oz over stock guide)
Bull barrel w/tungsten coned sleeve weighs 5.1oz (+1.9oz over stock)
9/.38 bull barrel w/tungsten coned sleeve weighs 6.5oz (+3.3oz over stock)
Full length dustcover frame weighs 1lb 8oz (+6.1oz over stock)

So the heaviest possible setup (all weight in the nose) would be a full length dustcover gun, with a 9 or .38 super barrel w/ tungsten coned sleeve and tungsten FLGR. 12 ounces heavier than a standard 1911, with no change to reciprocating mass (slide) weight. This is all common stuff in the action pistol world, not common with BE because most people want a lighter gun, not heavier.


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Post by Asa Yam on 1/1/2019, 6:49 pm

Soupy44 wrote:I'm curious as to the limits of increasing the weight of a service pistol...

And does anyone have any other methods for increasing the pistol weight?
Wonder what the CMP's take is on the removable internal weight on a SIG P320 X-Five?  (See Rule 4.2.4 for "Other Approved Service Pistol".)  The weight is made from a tungsten alloy, and fits ONLY the X series polymer frames.  It is also included in the gun, along with the (removable) magazine well.

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Post by SmokinNJokin on 1/1/2019, 7:24 pm

Very cool, I wasn't aware the x-5 came with that. Its on my want list, have handled them a bit but not shot one yet. The gun is approved by name in the CMP rules for service pistol, so that is a bit of a conundrum with the removeable grip weight.

I think its cool CMP is allowing all these factory guns, anything to bring more people to the line is cool. Same folks are still gonna win. Bigger playing field is more fun for all parties involved.

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