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Post by Rob Kovach on Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:30 pm

Ok revolver lovers,

I consistently shoot worse with my revolver than my other guns--and I always shoot DR legal loads.

My buddy lent me his machine rest to use for developing my ammo.  It's not good!

If I shoot 148gr HBWCs in my gun they group <2" with a random flier a couple inches out of the group, but when I shoot LSWC or LRNs through it, I get some pretty big spreads.  5-7"!  There doesn't seem to be any consistency from cylinder to cylinder either.  One set of 6 shot has cyl 1 with a flier.  The next string has cyl 1 in the group but cyl 5 is a flier.  And every string had a lot of vertical stringing.

I switched to factory loads (ok Blazer 158 LRNs but it was the only DR legal stuff I could find) and it was about the same.

Is this about normal?  Are my expectations just too high?

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Post by DeweyHales on Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:55 pm

3.4-3.5 of BE or HTG with a Zero 158 LSWC works well for me.

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Post by HenryA on Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:16 am

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Check your rest technique. There is more to it than just throwing it together and shooting.

If its a Ransom look at the link here for instructions:
http://www.ransomrest.com/RansomRest.html

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Post by dronning on Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:14 am

158gr LSWC (Red River - local) 2.9gr clays makes nice groups.  S&W K38 14-4 groups under 2" and a S&W 586 just slightly bigger.


+1 on the RR, we were getting inconsistent results based on where we placed the clamps when securing it to the bench.


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Post by Rob Kovach on Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:32 am

I should add let me know what your group sizes are.

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Post by GrumpyOldMan on Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:57 am

Wish I could help you there. Interested in DR myself but don't have a load yet. My SWCs are 143-gr and are going 2.5-2.8 inches benched off a rest with a red dot. Barely good enough but wrong weight.

RESISTING the urge to buy a 158-gr 4-cavity mould... But want to know WHOSE commercial 158s do group well, like the OP is seeking.

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Post by dan allen on Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:59 am

Are you shooting them out of a .38 or a .357? I had a terrible time finding a DR load for my .357 Ruger Security Six. I finally settled on 3 grains of bullseye because it was easy to remember. I tried Titegroup, 231, Unique and none were better or worse than the Bullseye load. What did work well in testing was to load 158 grain LRN's over a medium load of Unique in a .357 case. To stay DR legal I tried the same load in a .38 case with the bullet seated out to the same OAL with no luck.


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Post by Bill Treanor on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:50 am

Hi Rob-

Here are a couple of things that have helped me shoot better long line scores with my DR:

1. I used a Ransom Rest to determine which of the six chambers shot the best. Then, I single load that chamber for slow fire.
2. I use a Zero 158 SWC with 3.3 gr. WST for my long line load. I use 3.0 gr. WST for my short line load.
3. The best 10-shot group I was able to obtain at 50 yards (and I tested a lot of factory and handloaded ammo) with the load listed above was about 3 to 4". 
4. I think it is difficult to obtain the same accuracy from a cast bullet than you can from a swaged bullet, so all of my long line ammo is loaded with the Zero 158 SWC. For the short line, I have found that most anything will work O.K.

Finally, while off the topic a bit, I found that the short line provided me with the most "low-hanging fruit" for improving my score, so I spent most of my time training at 25 yards in my quest for the DR badge. I found that shooting double-action (especially in rapid) on the short line improved my score, too. This really surprised me because I never thought that shooting DA would work well for me when I first started doing it.

Hope that helps,

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Post by MrBorland on Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:48 am

Hi, Folks - New member here.

I love shooting revolvers and would like to start shooting some Bullseye come spring, eventually shooting some DR. That said, I thought DR required the use of factory or commercially reloaded ammo. Can reloads be used in matches, or do y'all use them just for practice? 

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Post by dronning on Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:53 am

You can use your reloads for DR matches (158 LSWC or RN) and in the CMP EIC matches for Distinguished Pistol with your 1911 (230gr FMJ)

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Re: Distinguished Revolver loads that don't suck?

Post by Rob Kovach on Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:07 am

Tom, Any 158gr LSWC or LRN are the acceptable loads.  They can be factory loads or reloads.  For non-DR matches (for bullseye CF) I recommend you use the 148gr HBWCs over 2.5gr Bullseye--MUCH more accurate!
Dan, I'm shooting a S&W K38 Target masterpiece. --so .38spl only.

Bill, my machine rest work that I'm doing was to try to figure out which cyl I should use for the long line--but the groups weren't consistent enough for me to come to any conclusion yet.  I think I will wait until it gets warmer.  I think I will try shooting 10 from cyl 1, 10 from cyl 2 and so on...then measure my groups.

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Post by rvlvrlvr on Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:08 pm

MrBorland wrote:Hi, Folks - New member here.

I love shooting revolvers and would like to start shooting some Bullseye come spring, eventually shooting some DR. That said, I thought DR required the use of factory or commercially reloaded ammo. Can reloads be used in matches, or do y'all use them just for practice? 

Tom

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The rule (Rule 3.1.4) for Distinguished Revolver equipment and ammo says that any safe .38 caliber ammo using 158gr round nose or semi-wadcutter bullets only are allowed (though the NRA's own current PDF of the rules has a printing error and doesn't list anything for Rule 3.1.4, that IS what it said, and the error should be corrected in future printings). No restrictions on bullet construction - can be lead, jacketed, or plated - as long as its either a round-nose or semi-wadcutter bullet.

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As for a particular DR-legal load that I like: I load 3.6gr Accurate Arms No. 2 powder under a 158gr Remington swaged .358"-diameter LSWC w/ Winchester WSP primers and Winchester brass (I forget what my crimp and OAL are, though). Out of every gun I've used for DR (S&W 19-3, S&W 14-4, S&W 14-5, S&W 14-6, S&W 68-2), it groups well and has a standard-feeling recoil - mild enough that I can get back on-target in rapid-fire, even with my usual routine of shooting single-action through the whole match. I'll admit it is a little dirty, but it was good enough for me to leg-out with, and even helped me get my first ever cleaned rapid-fire target (I'd never done it with any gun, even in Conventional shooting with a red-dot, until then). With that load, I've shot Master-level scores in DR matches (though I was already legged-out for most of them, and just shooting the matches for fun).

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Post by Axehandle on Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:24 pm

Are we roll crimping or taper crimping?  Doing any case trimming to get them all to a common length?

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Post by Rob Kovach on Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:15 am

Taper crimping.  Not trimming but measuring cases....matching headstamps etc.

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Post by Rob Kovach on Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:42 pm

Finally!  Found some DR legal ammo that shoots great in my revolver!!

Standard Remington 158gr LRN ammo that I bought at my local hardware store.  Sub 2" group from my machine rest at 50 yards!  The blue circle is the size of the 10 ring.  I think that this gun is capable of 10x performance with this ammo!

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Post by LenV on Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:09 pm

Oh great,now I have to buy some more ammo.Thanks for posting this.I haven't found anything that shoots that good in mine.Except XTPs of course.

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Post by james r chapman on Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:18 pm

Darn rn always comes back to haunt us like that.

No nice, pretty, easy to score holes..

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Post by C.Perkins on Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:39 pm

All I ever used was American Eagle 158gr LRN out of my Colt Python to get distinguished; worked well.

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Post by gitkrunk on Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:31 pm

C.Perkins wrote:All I ever used was American Eagle 158gr LRN out of my Colt Python to get distinguished; worked well.
 i run american eagle 158lrn or the remington umc 158 lrn. will be shooting my first DR match in may but the stuff shoots some nice groups from my 14-3

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Post by LenV on Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:11 pm

FYI. Bi-Mart here on the west coast has large quantities of Remington umc 158 LRN for 19.95. Midway prices are higher and they are outa stock.Just a heads up.
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Post by LenV on Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:50 pm

Picked up a couple of boxes of the Rem today. I am going to test them in a 27 and a 19 to see what kinda groups they are capable of in a 357. I don't have a ransome rest but should be able to get a fair test with sandbags.

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Post by LenV on Sun May 11, 2014 10:24 am

It finally quit raining here long enough to test the Rem through my pistols. I just did a test between a model 14 and a model 27. I was pretty disappointed with the results in the model 27 (357).After sighting the pistol in with the Rem ammo I fired two 10 shot groups for score. The best score was 84-1x the other was a 79 with a couple of real bad fliers. The model 14 (38) on the other hand did much better.Best score was 94-4x and a 91-2x.Both of these pistols were fired from sandbags and have optics mounted on them.My conclusion is I need to stay with the 14 for DSR matches.Which is a shame since the 27 has a much better trigger and feel.The powder in this Rem ammo smells like and is as dirty as Bullseye powder.I think it would be easy to duplicate with handloads.

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Post by gitkrunk on Sun May 11, 2014 12:48 pm

len, if you get the chance try some American eagle 158lrn

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Post by Axehandle on Sun May 11, 2014 1:26 pm

Any luck with the Fiocchi  158 grain RN lead?  Holding some American Eagle and I'll grab some Remington too for testing.

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Post by LenV on Sun May 11, 2014 1:30 pm

Gitkrunk
   I will try the American eagles if I find any.I am on a mission today to try and figure out what powder was in the Remingtons. I pulled the powder out of a bullet and weighed it. 3.6gr, that matches the load in the book for Bullseye powder.The stuff smells like bullseye and like I said it is as dirty as bullseye but under a microscope the powder looks identical to bullseye...except it has about a 20% bigger flake.That might just be a batch difference but sorta kinda want to be sure before I load a batch.I know I can try the bullseye and will if I can't narrow it down.

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