Glock & 1911 trigger to grip relationship ?s

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Glock & 1911 trigger to grip relationship ?s

Post by igolfat8 on 4/5/2014, 6:41 pm

I have been shooting Glocks for many years but always experience soreness on the side of my trigger finger tip. I noticed that my natural grip on a Glock has my index finger dropping or angling slightly downward towards the trigger. The end of the finger tip actually rubs on the trigger guard and the abrasion is what causes me soreness after a long range session. I don't think this is technique as much as the pistol doesn't fit my hand but I am open to opinions.

My 1911 has the trigger more inline with the beaver tail and allows my index finger to extend straight forward and not angle down. I can shoot 1911s without the same trigger guard finger drag.

It seems the Glock has a higher grip to lower trigger relationship which may lead to my index finger angling down towards the trigger while a 1911 has a lower grip angle. Based on this newly discovered difference does it make more sense to shoot pistols more similar to 1911's? Has anyone else noticed this and made the switch?

I went to the LGS today and held about every pistol they had and the only pistols besides 1911s were CZ 75B. Are there other pistols to investigate that have a similar trigger to grip relationship?

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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/5/2014, 6:57 pm

What you have discovered, is something that John Moses Browning intended for you to notice over 100 years ago.  The ergonomics are just that good.

You asked if there are other pistols that have a similar feel?  Why find similar when you can have the real deal that all others try to copy?  What are you seeking that the 1911 doesn't provide?
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Post by igolfat8 on 4/5/2014, 7:12 pm

I guess I am a slow learner. I like striker fired / hammer less pistols but perhaps this is not in my best interest in terms of personal ergonomics. Besides my affection for striker fired I have [personally] found them to be more reliable. My only 1911 (2013 Springfiled RO) has given me mechanical fits and is currently back to the factory for the second time.

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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/5/2014, 7:15 pm

An unreliable modern automatic is uncommon.  What is the nature of your malfunction?
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Post by igolfat8 on 4/5/2014, 8:06 pm

First return was the barrel was creasing the brass. It returned with a new barrel and that problem went away. New issue is the new bbl is .4525 and all my lead is .452 so I have severe leading problems. Accuracy is horrible too, duh. Its also had multiple FTF, FTE issues as well.

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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/5/2014, 8:08 pm

Who's bullets are you using?  What style and grains?  What powder charge and powder are you using?
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Post by igolfat8 on 4/5/2014, 8:13 pm

Currently 200g LSWC, Silver State with OEM blue lube or home cast Lee 200g LSWC with Recluse tumble lube, 4.1g WST @ 1.250". Also use Clays and N320 withXtreme 200 and 230, Zero 230, & Berrys 230.

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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/5/2014, 8:57 pm

If those silver state bullets are overly hard--hard enough that you cant make a mark in it with your thumbnail--that bullet will be more likely to lead your barrel.  When you get your gun back, I'll give you a number for a local caster who makes his softer just for us bullseye shooters.  See if that works out better.  Try slowing them down a little--like 3.8gr of Clays.

Once you get the gun shooting, it might have been an issue with the gun being new and tight. Other RO's that I've seen cycle well, yours might be on the tight side.
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Post by DavidR on 4/7/2014, 10:01 am

First, 4.1 of wst is to light for the factory 16 lb recoil spring in a RO, bump the load up to 4.4-4.5 or drop to a 13lb recoil spring. At a faster rate the bullets will lead less also.
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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/7/2014, 1:45 pm

You need to push the harder bullets faster to keep them from leading.
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