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Post by LenV on 4/17/2014, 7:39 pm

Just an F.Y.I. the NRA has posted the 2014 rules on their web site. They even have 3.1.4 finally.

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Re: 2014 Conventional Pistol Rules

Post by Guest on 4/17/2014, 9:39 pm

Rule book 
http://pistol-competition.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/Pistol/pistol-book.pdf

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Post by LenV on 4/18/2014, 9:21 am

There are some things in the new rules that really need to be clarified.I hope someone has a better read on the new regs then I do.

  1. Rule 3 creates three new  divisions and states that there will be "No national records for a period of three calendar years".That would include the new Open class and the National records Mel broke and tied at our last match would not count.

  2. Rule 3.1.4 states that for a revolver to fire in the DSR match it must be capable of chambering and firing 38 special ammo in 158gr RN or SWC. No where in the regs does is say that you have to shoot that ammo.In the regs for a EIC what ammo you have to use is spelled out exactly.I read this as we can shoot whatever we want.

  3. Rule 22.2 states shooters are not eligible for any awards except for those mentioned in 22.1. 22.1 does not mention any awards and is not about awards???

  4. What happened to the two handed shooter proby rules that were supposed to come out?
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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/18/2014, 2:07 pm

I was going to let this stew a little longer, but looks like we have to talk about it.

I sent a nasty gram to NRA late last night and received an answer that problem #2 and #4 would be corrected in the 2014 book.  I don't think they were aware that the new book was already online.

I will update this thread if I hear back from them.  I will also send issue #1 and #3 to Tom Hughes at NRA.
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Post by LenV on 4/18/2014, 2:20 pm

Thanks for responding.I am glad you are on top of it.I will look for the update.

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Post by james r chapman on 4/18/2014, 2:24 pm

I sent an email to t.hughes about the Weigand rear sight blade, which is allowed in Distinguished ppc revolver. Asked if it would be allowed in conventional dist. Rev. Still waiting.

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Post by CFPlinker on 4/18/2014, 6:00 pm

There appear to be several other changes in 3.1.4 regarding the pistol itself.

1. The requirement for single an double action capability has been removed.

2. The maximum barrel length of 6 1/2 inches has been removed.

3. The prohibition on adjustable front sights is no longer there.

4. The requirement that triggers be weighed is no longer there.

Can the competitions office include the "real" rules that must be followed in the package they send to tournament sponsor when the match is approved or registered and to the referee that is assigned to the match? That way everyone involved with the match will be on the same page.

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Post by Jack H on 4/18/2014, 6:18 pm

Back when DR was just new, I brought up the questions of 357 cases.  A referee type on the list said not allowed.  I also asked Mr Piccolo about the adjustable front sight on old Colt target revolvers.  Got a negative there as well.
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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/18/2014, 6:54 pm

I have heard back from the NRA regarding the DR omissions--they were accidentally omitted in 2013 and were supposed to appear in the 2014 rules.

I heard back from them within hours that it was supposed to be restored in the 2014 book and he was looking into it.
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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/18/2014, 7:04 pm

I'm not holding my breath to see it fixed this year.  They still screwed it up even after I reminded them numerous times in the last few months.

This sort of poor attention to detail is consistent with how I believe Conventional Pistol is regarded by NRA.  I'm so disappointed.
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Re: 2014 Conventional Pistol Rules

Post by LenV on 4/18/2014, 8:23 pm

Another omission is any mention about wrap around or Pachmyer style grips.
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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/18/2014, 8:25 pm

Those are legal for NRA matches. Are you thinking about CMP legality?
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Re: 2014 Conventional Pistol Rules

Post by LenV on 4/18/2014, 8:34 pm

The DSR matches had a restriction against using them also.Both sides had to be mirrors just like CMP and couldn't wrap around. The open back Pachmyers were legal the closed were not.That was just two years ago.They skipped that part in 2013 and I just figured it was another one of their oops.
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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/18/2014, 8:43 pm

Can you remind me which section from the 2012 rulebook you are referring to?  I've got my 2012 book here but can't find the passage you are referring to.
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Re: 2014 Conventional Pistol Rules

Post by LenV on 4/18/2014, 8:48 pm

Go to www.njpistol/DR.asp
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Post by LenV on 4/18/2014, 8:50 pm

That didn't work try http://www.njpistol.com/DR.asp
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Re: 2014 Conventional Pistol Rules

Post by Rob Kovach on 4/18/2014, 9:33 pm

My DR pistol has open back Hogues that wrap around the front.  They are the same left and right.

The 2012 rulebook has the same rules as your website, (except the 2012 rules allow any safe 158gr LRN or LSWC ammo, your website requires the old commercially produced ammo) but I don't see anything that disallows grips that wrap around fully as long as they don't flare out at the bottom or are sticky.

Do you have a picture of the grips that you are talking about?
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Re: 2014 Conventional Pistol Rules

Post by james r chapman on 4/18/2014, 9:44 pm

Illegal. The issued Colt Gold Cup wrap around grips.
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Post by LenV on 4/18/2014, 9:54 pm

I think you have me confused with someone that knows how to post pictures in this forum.I sent my log in info to my son so he could add my avatar to my sign in.The grips you are talking about with the open backs are used here a lot. Both in Hogue and Pachmyer. After I saw Mel using them I switched in my next match.I remember reading that full wrap arounds were not legal but it is very possible that CMP and DSR have flowed together over the years. I do know that when Roddy was holding matches in Springfield he would not allow them. I will try to research it further and see if there was anything in 2011 about grips. It is not important if they don't even get what they had in 2012 back in the regs.

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Re: 2014 Conventional Pistol Rules

Post by Rob Kovach on 4/18/2014, 9:59 pm

James,
I think that the entire Colt Gold Cup is illegal in a Distinguished Revolver match.
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there is nothing in the Distinguished Revolver rules that disallows any stocks for wrapping around.  Stocks are open and only disallowed if they aren't mirror images, flare out at the base, or are sticky.


All of the 2012 rules are essentially still in effect.  When a match director registers a DR match, they are given a supplemental match bulletin that includes the missing rules.

We will survive this NRA neglect one way or another...
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Re: 2014 Conventional Pistol Rules

Post by LenV on 4/18/2014, 10:08 pm

I just can't leave for the night letting you think I am totally computer illiterate.I have a degree from the army in programing. If you ever need any 7 digit tape programed I'm your man. I have a 2700 to shoot tomorrow in Portland I will ask the "Old" guys what they remember.
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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/18/2014, 10:21 pm

HAHAHAHA Len,
I'll put instructions for posting photos on an IBM punchcard and send it out to you via snail mail! HAHAHA
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Re: 2014 Conventional Pistol Rules

Post by james r chapman on 4/19/2014, 7:07 am

EIA or ASCII?
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2014 DR Rules

Post by BrianD on 4/19/2014, 7:34 am

I have my NRA approval for our State Match in August and I have the approval for the DR match.
I spoke with the NRA on the rules and the application (attached) includes all the rules which are no different than they have been in the past.

These are what the rules will be at our match at least.

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2014 DR rules

Post by BrianD on 4/19/2014, 7:37 am

here is the attachment.  sorry

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