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Post by Fordfan485 on 6/6/2014, 4:59 pm

Ok so it wasn't an official match since my local club's season ended in march.  I did however use a timer and used the mp3s on http://www.bullseyepistol.com/ to time timed and rapid fire.   I did a 30 shot NMC @ 50ft (might have been a bit farther than 50ft )with a Ruger 22/45 Mkiii.   I bought the pistol back in January but fired it for the first time today.  

My slow fire score was :meh: at least I kept it all on the paper though!


Slow Fire:  45-0
Timed Fire: 84-1
Rapid Fire: 80-0

Attached are the pictures of my groups
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Post by james r chapman on 6/6/2014, 7:25 pm

I think the timed fire grouping tells you a lot about how to shoot slow fire.

Your thinking too hard...
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Post by Jack H on 6/6/2014, 8:52 pm

Yes to jrc. 
Slow target, I bet you took too long trying to force the shots better
Time target. Better, just right time to not think, just do
Rapid target, worried and hurried shots.

Sort of like Goldilocks and the three bear's bowls.
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Post by Fordfan485 on 6/7/2014, 8:11 am

Thanks for the tips.   One thing I did differently with slow fire was my stance.  I was facing about 90 deg from the target since that is what I am used to when shooting nra highpower rifle offhand.   For whatever reason I changed to a stance that was 45 deg from the target for timed and rapid.   I also changed to a 6 oclock hold for timed and rapid.  I used  com for slow but had trouble distinguishing the front sight from the target black(lighting indoors at my club isn't the greatest).   Timed fire felt the most natural which shows in the target results.  Rapid fire I felt really rushed and almost ran out of time.   Slow fire I rested my arm on the bench between each shot.  Do most shooters do this or shoot a couple then rest.

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Post by john bickar on 6/7/2014, 2:22 pm

No matter how many times I look at that TF target, it still scores an 84-1x for me.

What am I missing?
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Post by Fordfan485 on 6/7/2014, 2:38 pm

john bickar wrote:No matter how many times I look at that TF target, it still scores an 84-1x for me.

What am I missing?

You're right.  Looks like I can't add.

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Post by Rob Kovach on 6/7/2014, 7:09 pm

Fordfan wrote:I used  com for slow but had trouble distinguishing the front sight from the target black
Use a 6 o'clock hold instead of center hold so your black sights are over the white part of the target.  I've been told you highpower shooters call that "pumpkin on a post".

Bullseye is not like highpower in that your hold and sight picture doesn't need to be perfect in order for the shot to be good--but your trigger pull needs to be.

If your wobble is in the black, and your trigger pull doesn't disturb the gun, your score will be pretty good.
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Post by Fordfan485 on 6/27/2014, 12:42 pm

Went out and did another 30 rd match this morning.  Things I did diffrently: 
 
-6 O'clock hold  
-body positioned about 45 degrees from target through whole course of fire
-Changed ammo from high velocity to std velocity.
-10 shot strings
 -slightly ligher trigger pull(about 4~4.5 lbs)

2 weeks ago I was using Aguila SuperExtra 22 High Velocity 38 gr Copper Plated ammo.  Today I used Remington/Eley 22LR Rifle Target, Std Velocity, 40 gr Lead Round Nose ammo.  I also did each target in 10 shot strings because I only had one magazine with me.    Not really sure what happend with the rapid fire group I wasn't calling my shots to the right.   Biggest improvment was seen in slow fire instead of shooting one shot and putting the gun down I would do 3 or 4 shots and then rest, and those shots I did at about a timed fire pace.   Also the trigger pull was lightened a little when I did the washer mod to remove the magazine disconnect safety(my 22/45 is a MkIII).  With my cheap trigger pull scale I was getting about 4-4.5 lbs.   Attached are my results:
 
Slowfire 76
Timed Fire 75-0
Rapid Fire 73-0
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Post by Rob Kovach on 6/27/2014, 1:18 pm

Most shooters only shoot multiple shots in slow fire on windy days.  Even though your shots are better, it might be better to not get into the habit of having variable shot processes.  As you progress, you will improve more quickly if you have a consistent shot process.

Are you left handed?
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Post by Fordfan485 on 6/27/2014, 2:19 pm

Rob Kovach wrote:Most shooters only shoot multiple shots in slow fire on windy days.  Even though your shots are better, it might be better to not get into the habit of having variable shot processes.  As you progress, you will improve more quickly if you have a consistent shot process.

Are you left handed?

Nope, right handed.   I guess I should also note that my glasses fogged up on me on the rapid fire string but I m not sure that would have changed the point of impact of my group.    I have noticed in dryfire with other guns(e.g. my carry gun(glock 36) and IDPA gun (S&W M&P 9 Pro))  that my front sight will sometimes go to the right when the trigger breaks about 25-50% of the time.   I have had it happen when dry firing the ruger but its not nearly as noticible or happens as often.

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Post by Rob Kovach on 6/27/2014, 5:13 pm

Try moving your trigger finger farther in--make the trigger touch your finger in the harder spot between the pad and the first joint.  See if that stops the sight from moving left when you press the trigger.  You may need to change your whole grip so the trigger motion comes straight back and the sights keep driving straight ahead when the shot breaks.

Put a plastic wall anchor that is the size of a .22 rim into your chamber and you can dryfire with your Ruger without harming your breechface or firing pin.

Keep having fun!
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Post by BE Mike on 6/28/2014, 7:37 am

Review the fundamentals and write them down. Keep a shooter's diary, so when the light bulb comes on, you will later remember why it did. When I was first starting out, I shot about the same as you. If you keep focusing your attention on the proper fundamentals and reduce your errors, you will improve by leaps and bounds. Avoid developing bad habits that you will have to break later. It is much easier to learn to do it the right way the first time.
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Post by rfmiller on 7/1/2014, 1:47 pm

A couple thoughts:  Work on your grip so the gun doesn't pull to the side when the trigger breaks.  Your finger has to be coming straight back.  I would rest the gun between shots in slowfire.  There is one excellent shooter in my club that even sets the gun down on the bench and re-grips it between shots.  Most don't go that far and maintain their grip but rest. 
Read a good manual, such as the Army Marksmanship manual which you can read on the Encyclopedia of Bullseye website:   http://www.bullseyepistol.com/amucover.htm

Not a bad start!  Keep shooting!

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