Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

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Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by beeser on Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:19 pm

Can't seem to find this in stock (H14208) anywhere online.  Any good substitutes?

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by james r chapman on Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:11 pm

remington hbwc's, dirty but still the best out there!

also like Magnus's swaged offerings

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by AllAces on Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:16 pm

Penn Bullets or Zero bullets

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by Rob Kovach on Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:35 pm

^^^^^^What they said^^^^^

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by beeser on Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:14 pm

I can't find anyone selling wadcutter Zero bullets.  Penn has them but they're not hollow based.  Is that OK?  And what about the diameter?  They offer .356, .357, .358 (standard) and .359.  Our club receives a discount from the company below that also has what looks like the same Penn bullets.  What about these? 

http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=118&category=5&secondary=19&keywords=

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by Virgil Kane on Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:19 pm

My friend shoots bullets from Missouri Bullets and gets top notch accuracy from his 52-2. I have never tried the 358 WC but have shot the .452  Missouri Bullets in my 45ACP and have found them OK, not as good as swaged but about the same as all other cast.

In my 52-2 I shoot only Remington HBWC's and haven't found any better.
But as stated they are dirty but that doesn't bother me, they are the best IMO.


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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by beeser on Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:31 pm

Thanks for the comments on the Missouri Bullets.  I checked around for the Remington HBWCs and they also suffer the same availability problem as the others I mentioned before.  This is insane.

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by 8at4 on Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:10 pm

rozedist.com has Zero HBWC in stock. If they happen to be out, just keep checking. They'll have them back in stock in a few days.
Their prices include shipping.

http://www.rozedist.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RZD&Category_Code=ZSB-38S

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by C.Perkins on Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:18 pm

When I read this thread I had to laugh.
In my current profession I have to go up to Prescott Arizona which is about a two hour drive.
Happened upon an old mom and pop gun shop.
Just had to stop in.
Walked out with a 500 round box of Speer 148gr HBWC and a 500 round box of Hornady 148gr HBWC for $50. cash
The boxes looked to have been around for awhile but the contents were perfect.
I normally shoot my Remington 148gr HBWC but down to about 2000 heads.
Will see how they do, maybe just use them for the short line if they do not work out well for the long line, who knows.
I get what I can now days cause it is tough at times to find certain components.

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by beeser on Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:16 pm

C.Perkins wrote:When I read this thread I had to laugh.
In my current profession I have to go up to Prescott Arizona which is about a two hour drive.
Happened upon an old mom and pop gun shop.
Just had to stop in.
Walked out with a 500 round box of Speer 148gr HBWC and a 500 round box of Hornady 148gr HBWC for $50. cash
The boxes looked to have been around for awhile but the contents were perfect.
I normally shoot my Remington 148gr HBWC but down to about 2000 heads.
Will see how they do, maybe just use them for the short line if they do not work out well for the long line, who knows.
I get what I can now days cause it is tough at times to find certain components.

Clarence
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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by scrum derringer on Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:28 am

just bought 2k of the zero's from powdervalley. $139 shipped, and it arrived quickly.

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by beeser on Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:40 am

scrum derringer wrote:just bought 2k of the zero's from powdervalley. $139 shipped, and it arrived quickly.
Lo and behold, they not only had the the Zero HBWC but also the Hornady.  I ordered both.  Strange ordering system though, you can order online but apparently it is processed manually and stock is checked at that time.  So I suppose it's possible that my order is really out of stock.  We'll see.

Thanks for the heads up!

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by jell-dog on Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:58 am

Opinions on these?

.38 caliber 148 grain Hensley and Gibbs wadcutter bevel base?

http://www.dardascastbullets.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=dardas&Category_Code=38WC

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by Rob Kovach on Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:09 am

I'm not a big fan of those.  They are the cast bullet equivalent of what we are talking about, and they don't have a hollow base.  The swaged HBWCs have more mass around the outside to help the bullet stay stable.  
I haven't shot those cast "beerkeg" style bullets in a long time but the last time I did, I was having a lot of trouble getting them to shoot good groups at the long line in my 14.  They were fine at the 25 yard line.

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by beeser on Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:10 am

I think jell-dog was referring to the Hensley and Gibbs wadcutter with the bevel base, which is a little different than the "beerkeg" style.  Maybe the bevel base has a similar effect as the hollow base.  I'd also be interested in the logic behind the different bullet tip.

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by james r chapman on Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:14 pm

I believe the double ended bevel is there for the convenience of automatic loading machines. I also struggle to get hard cast to be as accurate as hbwc's in my revolvers.

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by jerry lehrer on Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:05 pm

James,

No, the double ended BB bullet is NOT an adequate substitute for a HBWC, ever.  Try to get
Remington, Speer or Zero swaged HBWC,  Remember the 52 is a 9mm bore not really a .38.

Why try to fight with success?

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by brassmaster on Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:44 pm

I've used Speer 148gr, hollow base wad cutters for years with excellent results! I tried Hornady, not too good results--Remington, so-so. Speer produced best results out of Ransom Rest & at the long line.
Midway has Speer, 500box, in stock, $40.49

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by james r chapman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:21 am

jerry lehrer wrote:James,

No, the double ended BB bullet is NOT an adequate substitute for a HBWC, ever.  Try to get
Remington, Speer or Zero swaged HBWC,  Remember the 52 is a 9mm bore not really a .38.

Why try to fight with success?

Jerry
Jerry, I don't. Only pointing out what the design was for.

I'm strictly a hbwc guy...

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by beeser on Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:54 am

jerry lehrer wrote:
...Remember the 52 is a 9mm bore not really a .38....
Why do you say that?  Bore diameter?  Barrel pressure limitation?

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by Virgil Kane on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:10 am

beeser wrote:
jerry lehrer wrote:
...Remember the 52 is a 9mm bore not really a .38....
Why do you say that?  Bore diameter?  Barrel pressure limitation?


 52's are .356 bore diameter not .358.

My 52-2 is a smidgen tight at .355.


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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by beeser on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:53 am

Taking a naive stab at generalities then is the Model 52 the same as the Model 952 except chambered or reworked into a Model 52?  In other words a cheap or efficient way of getting a wadcutter bullet in an otherwise too short 9mm case?

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by Virgil Kane on Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:36 am

Actually the 52's were derived from the Model 39 9mm. First with a rimless 38AMU in 1960 and then the 38 Special


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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by james r chapman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:11 pm

beeser wrote:Taking a naive stab at generalities then is the Model 52 the same as the Model 952 except chambered or reworked into a Model 52?  In other words a cheap or efficient way of getting a wadcutter bullet in an otherwise too short 9mm case?
No, the 52 was derived from the 39.

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Re: Good substitute for Hornady 148 gr HBWC?

Post by Dr.Don on Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:35 pm

It has been a long time since I owned a 52.  But if memory serves me, the bore is somewhat challenging to measure with a slug because it was a 5-land barrel.

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