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Post by 285wannab on Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:42 am

Hi All,
I'm the new kid on the block and have a question.  When your on the line where is your head positioned?  Is it facing straight down range or is it off set 10 to 15 degrees?  I think there is a couple schools of thought on this but I curious how most here line up.
Thanks,
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Re: Head position

Post by rvlvrlvr on Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:37 am

I stand about 45° to the target, and my head is turned about 10° from the target.

Edit: actually, my forum avatar over there shows my head position pretty decently.


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Re: Head position

Post by CR10X on Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:01 pm

Line up as comfortably as you can.  Raise the gun and line up on the target.  Close your eyes and remain in the position trying to maintain hold on the target as long as you can.   Just before giving up, open your eyes and see where you are pointing.  Move your back foot left or right to get back in line with the center of the target.  Then, if needed, turn your head just enough to line up the sights. Now you have your shooting position.  As you change over time, simply do this at the start of each training session or as needed.
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Re: Head position

Post by DavidR on Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:03 pm

This was published by a great shooter Bill Joyner maybe it will help;
Body Position or Stance
We are all constructed differently and have different natural positions. To find your natural position, face away from the target 45 degrees. Look at the target by turning your head and eyes only and raise the pistol to the eye, target, line. Close your eyes, raise your pistol and arm several feet and allow it to fall relaxed, and naturally to the horizontal. If it falls right down the center of the target, you have your natural position. If it falls to one side, shuffle on your feet, keeping the body axis from the feet to the shoulder the same, until the pistol is aligned on the target again. Several tries such as this one will readily show you how far to face away from the target. This test need only be made during one shooting session. At all following sessions start out with the position that you have decided is natural for you and stay with it. The feet should be spread apart about the width of your shoulders or a little more. I have noticed that I spread my feet farther apart than when I first began shooting. Others have told me that they do the same. However, if you spread your feet unnaturally at first, you will have to exert undue muscular effort to maintain balance. The object is to be well balanced and comfortable.

The legs should be straight, but not stiff. Allow the knee joints to fall into a locked position, but still be relaxed. The thigh muscles should be relaxed. If you are tense anywhere, it is a sign of strain and will show up in your trigger control. The hips should be level and in an easy, natural position. Let your abdomen relax. We have a lot of fun admiring each other's "pots" during pistol matches, but no one ever attempts to hold it in. Allow the shoulders to hang naturally and relaxed. I prefer to place my free hand in my side pocket. Some shooters, especially those with long arms, can perform best by just letting their free arms and hand hang naturally at the side. The object is to entirely forget about it. It must be relaxed and forgotten. An instructor can easily spat a student who is not relaxed by the attitude of the free arm. The head and neck should be in an easy natural position. The shooter must look at the target by turning his head and eyes slightly without moving from the neck down. The simplest way to do this is to face your entire body away from the target at the angle you have selected and then turn your head and eyes only to the target before raising your pistol to the firing position. While looking at the target from this natural position, raise your pistol until you can align the sights on the target. The important thing is to make your pistol arm fit the body position instead of ruining a good body position by craning the neck and shoulders trying to get behind the pistol. The body position must be selected first, then use the pistol arm only to bring the sights in line with the eye and target.

The pistol arm should be extended directly toward the target. The wrist is locked without strain, (this requires practice), the elbow is locked also but with no sense of strain or tenseness. The gull and arm supported by the muscles on top of the shoulder, (the trapezius group). Try holding a ten or fifteen pound weight out in the firing position and feel the top of your shoulder where the arm joins and you will find the small hard muscles that support your gun arm. You should feel that the pistol is hanging from above, and not that you are pushing it up from below.

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Re: Head position

Post by bogierich on Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:12 pm

I too stand about 45 deg. to the target with my head 10-15 deg. My challenge, however is the fact that I am left-eye dominant, but a right-handed shooter. I wear an occluder over my right eye and turn my head just enough to bring my left eye closer to the sights. That means my head angle puts my chin closer to my shooting shoulder, whereas most people blessed with same eye-to-hand dominance turn their chin away from their shooting shoulders.

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Re: Head position

Post by 285wannab on Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:44 am

I am envious of you guys that can stand at a 45 deg. to the target.  I will tell you why.  I feel solid when I  stand at a 45 deg. to the target.  Less sway.  I fought standing this way for close to a year.  I say fought because my right eye, reddot centered in the tube and target would not line up.  I would have to tilt my head or bend my wrist to get a good line.  You can get away with doing this but I think it will cost you points.
Ha, I even thought about buying the 7 deg. Rinks to stay in the 45deg. position.  That's how solid I feel being there.
Now my stance is 70ish degs. from the target. And everything lines up now.

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Re: Head position

Post by DavidR on Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:02 am

Its what ever works, I shoot with a 2650 shooter who shoots facing straight toward the target.

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Re: Head position

Post by Toz35m on Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:12 pm

This is one of the things you have to tryout may things to find out what works best for your body.  45 is a great place to start.  One thing I have noticed is the closer my feet get to being parallel to the line the recoil is more consistent for me and absorbed by the body better.  This provides a faster recovery when shooting at the short line.

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Re: Head position

Post by 285wannab on Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:32 pm

So what would you do?  Stand in a position that felt solid but your eye, dot and target didn't line up unless you moved something or have everything line up good but you didn't feel as solid.  I do what DavidR mentioned but wondering if anyone else does something different.

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