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Post by kwixdraw on Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:05 pm

Is seating bullets on the shoulder literally having a seating die that pushes on the shoulder? I have kept track of my seating depth at the shoulder and OAL but seating on the shoulder is a way to also get more concentric loaded ammo I could see that as a good thing. Anyone have preferred seating dies or is this strictly a custom seater stem type venture.  I notice that the Dillon SWC side of the seater contacts somewhere about midway down the cone of a H&G 68 or similar bullet. Leaves a pretty good mark too.

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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:26 pm

yes you are pushing directly on the shoulder
I have seaters that I made to do this
There is a guy who sells modified stems for dillon dies on e-bay  Steve Bathe??

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Post by DavidR on Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:27 pm

Mostly this is best for semi wadcutters where its better than seating off the nose, plus you can change bullet types say, long nose to short and it will seat both the same without re adjusting the die.

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Post by Motorcycle_dan on Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:58 pm

You don't have to buy them from Steve Bathe.  You could do like I did and spend tripple the cost, 6 hours on the Lathe and on the 4th attempt get it correct.  Next time I'm just calling Steve

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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:23 pm

If you have a Lee seating die sitting around it takes about a half hour to turn one on a lathe  (once you have the dims.).
Bathe has the luxury (and cost) of an automated machine.

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Post by CR10X on Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:14 pm

Guess I did it the hard way for the Dillon insert. 3/8 drill and 2 minutes of work on the round nose end. Of course this is for .45 only.

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Post by BE Mike on Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:48 am

CR10X wrote:Guess I did it the hard way for the Dillon insert.   3/8 drill and 2 minutes of work on the round nose end.  Of course this is for .45 only.
Why did you select the round nose end, rather than the semi-wadcutter end?

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Post by CR10X on Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:15 pm

Helped center the drill bit since I was not using lathe or drill press fixture.

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Post by Motorcycle_dan on Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:35 pm

Cecil, My issue was I wanted a very fine wall.  Had some old Star bullets that had a small shoulder.  I ended up having to spin the lathe and use a grinder in the coss feed to reduce the OD. 
It would swell if I tried to drill ID with that thin a wall.  I got it but caved in the first 3 attempts.

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Post by CR10X on Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:15 pm

Oh, I understand. I was just lucky the OT bullets I use were a perfect fit for that drill size. :-))

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Post by guncheese on Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:30 pm

for the Lee seater
i just measured the inner dia of the shoulder of the 2 kinds of swc i use (both lee)
and drilled it to the size needed
now i dont ever have to change the depth setting even when switching bullets
and since the lee bullets are so close in seating depth  there isnt anything different
i also load the lee 145gr swc for 40  and did the same thing
they just seat better

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Post by tonyg on Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:00 pm

Hi Kwix, I also use the Steve Bathje steating die insert sold on Ebay. It certainly helps

the bullet to seat more concentric and allows more precise seating dimension consistency. 

Tony

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Post by lablover on Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:15 pm

tonyg wrote:Hi Kwix, I also use the Steve Bathje steating die insert sold on Ebay. It certainly helps

the bullet to seat more concentric and allows more precise seating dimension consistency. 

Tony
Waiting for mine to show up..Purchased last week!

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Post by kwixdraw on Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:38 am

I just loaded my first batch of ammo with the shoulder seater. I like it. It doesn't mark the bullets up and does seem to seat them more concentric with the case. So no slight bulges on one side.

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Post by lablover on Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:47 am

guncheese wrote:for the Lee seater
i just measured the inner dia of the shoulder of the 2 kinds of swc i use (both lee)
and drilled it to the size needed
now i dont ever have to change the depth setting even when switching bullets
and since the lee bullets are so close in seating depth  there isnt anything different
i also load the lee 145gr swc for 40  and did the same thing
they just seat better
 I'd like to know how that Powder coating works!  Does it do as well as old fashioned lube on the bullets?  Leading??

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Post by Rob Kovach on Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:13 pm

No leading.  There is no lead in contact with the bore.
The stuff is very smooth and slippery.

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Post by lablover on Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:19 pm

Rob Kovach wrote:No leading.  There is no lead in contact with the bore.
The stuff is very smooth and slippery.
Yea

I need to look into casting...As much as I want to shoot....And they look cool too...LOL

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Post by kwixdraw on Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:07 pm

Eastwood has pretty good bargains on powder coating equipment when it is on sale. It's not too expensive at any time. It's an easy process. Just a little messy.

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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?

Post by lablover on Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:16 am

I need to find a local place that has a push thru sizer.  Guess they ned sizing after PC....I may have to order one.  Seems the best bet to use with my rockchucker.

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Post by james r chapman on Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:42 am

online purchasing, local to most everyone, CUSA.

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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:11 am

lablover wrote:I need to find a local place that has a push thru sizer.  Guess they ned sizing after PC....I may have to order one.  Seems the best bet to use with my rockchucker.

LEE has push thru sizing dies that you can thow in any single stage press.
They size only, no capacity for lubing.

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Post by lablover on Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:21 am

STEVE SAMELAK wrote:
lablover wrote:I need to find a local place that has a push thru sizer.  Guess they ned sizing after PC....I may have to order one.  Seems the best bet to use with my rockchucker.

LEE has push thru sizing dies that you can thow in any single stage press.
They size only, no capacity for lubing.
Yup, thats what I'm looking for

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Post by james r chapman on Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:20 pm

online sizing kits.

just an example...

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Re: Seating bullets on the shoulder?

Post by guncheese on Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:35 pm

dont bother with the powder coat guns
all of mine (yes the ones in the pic) were done by twirling them around in a cool whip container
plenty of info on the shake and bake method on the web
easy,super cheap,clean and the bottom of the bullet gets coated as well (lots of indoor rages that dont like lead  allow powder coat)


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Post by lablover on Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:38 pm

Oh yea...I got some reading to do...

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