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CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by gitkrunk on Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:35 am

Since no one knows what is allowed.... any ideas on what they will or will not allow?  I am guessing all the euro 22lrs will be out because of the ergo grips.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by Rob Kovach on Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:42 am

I'm GUESSING that's wrong since they are doing the "low ready" thing to make it more consistent with what the juniors are shooting in international, I'm guessing they are going to make it legal for those guns to be used.

We won't know until the rules come out.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by gitkrunk on Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:49 am

I hope your right Rob!!! Didn't even think about the low ready.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by jmdavis on Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:53 am

The rules are supposed to be along the lines of the .22 games match as far as legal pistols go.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by LenV on Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:32 am

I wouldn't be surprised if they limited the grips to production and limited sight radius. Probably pretty close in line with Standard Pistol but more restrictive on grips. I spent some time today before reading this post looking for my old M41 grips.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by gitkrunk on Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:28 am

i recently sold off my marvel 22 1911 for my pardini...... hope i don't regret that decision.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by LenV on Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:41 am

Toooooo late. You regretted it before it was out of your hand. Crying or Very sad

I always have an extra somewhere Chris. I will try to find one with a bent barrel for you if you want to come shoot Bremerton again.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by sixftunda on Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:20 am

Low ready or not, I am looking forward to chasing another badge.  I took the scope mount off my backup Hammerli last night.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by Axehandle on Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:09 am

Should be fun!  The old Dawgs will scramble to get the low numbers...   The iron sights will hold some of them back.

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Post by Steve B on Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:16 pm

This could be fun.  I can slide the scope mount off the Hammerli and replace it with a weight very easily or just use the Marvel with an open sight rib.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by marlin1881 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:11 pm

Can someone fill me in on the specifics of the "low-ready"?  For instance, when would a competitor need to slightly raise the gun off the bench; i.e. "ready on the firing line"?

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by jmdavis on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:25 pm

If there is a bench that prevents holding the pistol at a 45 degree angle, it would need to be held down so that it does not touch the bench. 

Watch this for a possibly better idea. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toOlD2xdCa0

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by LenV on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:25 pm

The pistol can never actually rest on the bench. I sometimes tap the bench so I know I am down low enough but the pistol never actually rests on the bench after the command load. Another biggy is you can not raise the pistol until the target turns. Not even a little bit.

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Post by marlin1881 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:15 pm

I've never shot from a low-ready position.  There are many others as well.  CMP will have to clearly define how this works, and what the results of violation would be; i.e. alibi, DQ, no-score, etc.  My day-job involves executing to a specific Statement Of Work with customers, so I have to develop contracts that are clear and specific.  The following statements, from the new CMP rules, need a lot of clarity:

"In .22 Rimfire matches, the ready position for timed and rapid-fire stages is with the loaded pistol pointed down at a 45-degree angle. If the bench in front of the shooter is too high to allow a 45-degree angle ready position, the ready position is with the loaded pistol lowered as far as possible without contacting the bench (must not rest on the bench)."

Two points need clarification:  1) when does the shooter need to go to "low-ready", or raise the gun slightly from the bench, and 2) when can the shooter raise the gun to fire.

I believe that "2)" is straightforward in that it will be when the target "starts to turn".  The question remains in what the penalty is for raising early.

For "1)", there are a series of six commands that could apply:
- with 5 rounds, load
- is the line ready
- the line is ready
- ready on the right
- ready on the left
- ready on the firing line

I would think for consistency, this would need to match up with international games.  But, I've never been to any international match, so I'm not sure how this would work.  The YouTube video link above showed just one shooter at a time.  Obviously, quite different than Distinguished Match shooting.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by jmdavis on Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:59 pm

Once you load, you cannot rest the pistol on the bench. I have been playing around with shooting the 22 this way for a couple of months. You could look up the standard pistol rules which is what I believe that Lenny was referring to above. 

But, there is plenty of time to work all of this out. The very first match won't occur until the Oklahoma games in April. I imagine that the commands will be well documented by then.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by gitkrunk on Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:35 pm

also the low ready is not something new. look at the rules for the CMP games pistol matches.. ie as issue, military.   we fired this way for those matches.    And being that it is a 22 we all should be able to raise the firearm after targets turn... acquire and squeeze off 5.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by LenV on Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:46 pm

This is more a fundamental thing then a rule thing but.. Referring to Gitrunks comment about raising your arm and Acquiring the target. From the ready position it is all about how smoothly you can bring up your arm and not  about how quickly you can bring it up. Like He says or implies you do have enough time to not rush the shot.

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by LenV on Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:13 pm

The low ready rule is one of those rules that give people that are vertically challenged several advantages. Those of us so challenged have shorter arms and therefore have less movement to bring the pistol up into position. Should we be lucky enough to shoot at a venue that has a tall shooting bench we really make out. I shot a league match today that had a very tall bench. I only had to raise my arm about 12" from resting on the bench to being lined with the target. Just something to think about.....

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by Wes Lorenz on Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:04 am

Axehandle wrote:Should be fun!  The old Dawgs will scramble to get the low numbers...   The iron sights will hold some of them back.
good thing the young pups are still learning trigger control................ Wink

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Re: CMP 22 Distinguished Badge

Post by Jack H on Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:14 am

Some old dawgs are trying to remember trigger control.  Smile

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