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Post by Flytrap1 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:51 am

I was told by someone who is supposed to be an authority on the subject that the model 41's that have letters in their serial numbers are less desirable to bullseye shooters then those that do not. Has anyone heard this "rumor"? If true what is the reason for it ?

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Post by JayhawkNavy02 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:13 am

Have you PM'd Jerry Keefer?  I don't know if there are very many people with more M41 experience/expertise than him.  His work on the M41 is incredible, and I'm sure he'll be able to help or point you in the right direction.
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Post by Jerry Keefer on Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:05 pm

Iam in bed writing this..Wow, have I been sick..SadSadSad
Thank you Jay
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I personally have not found a significant difference.
I consider the 41 equivalent  to the Hammerli, AFTER, it has been set up and tuned. It is an excellent platform and can take you to the top..
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Post by JayhawkNavy02 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:18 pm

Jerry,

The M41 you built for a guy in our league is absolutely top shelf.   Not only a spectacular shooter, but it looks phenomenal with the custom work you did.

Get well soon Jerry!


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Post by Jon Eulette on Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:58 pm

Mario Lozoya won 1992 Nationals with Curtis built M41. Best 10X clean target I ever shot was with 41. A loaner ; p)
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Post by Jerry Keefer on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:14 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:Curtis

A seldom seen name in print.. Never flaunts his accomplishments.. He has probably built more winning bullseye guns, than  any one...
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Post by Sa-tevp on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:14 pm

I couldn't find my notes where I ran across this subject being discussed, but if I remember correctly it was at Rimfirecentral.

Here is what I came up with on a search: http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-246820.html

But there was one where someone brought it up and everyone dog-piled on the poster for spreading a myth. Again.

Edit 1: found another thread http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-233969.html

Edit 2: more http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-56100.html
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Post by Jerry Keefer on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:29 pm

JayhawkNavy02 wrote:Jerry,

The M41 you built for Joe F. that he competes with is absolutely top shelf.   Not only a spectacular shooter, but it looks phenomenal with the custom work you did.

Get well soon Jerry!
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I don't know if Joe told you the story about that gun or not.. That is a fairly old set up.. That was back when I was machining 41 barrels from Lilja blanks..Similar to Floyd Aiken barrels.  It shot quite well from the beginning, but some years, later while doing some machine work on the rib, I accidently got to close to the bore, and dimpled it.. So, it now sports a Lothar Walther liner..and shoots better than ever.. So some good came of that, and I had already determined that liners are superior, as they rest in the barrel stress free.
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Post by Flytrap1 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:34 pm

Jerry, Tell me more about the work that you do. Will my 41 as it is now, stock from the factory take me to master class? I would rather spend the money to get it upgraded than buy a used Hammerli from Gunbroker for $2500.00! I stand by the 41,I believe it is a beautiful firearm and has unlimited potential. What can you do to take it to the next level? What's the cost? How long does it take?

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Post by Jerry Keefer on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:43 pm

Sa-tevp wrote:I couldn't find my notes where I ran across this subject being discussed, but if I remember correctly it was at Rimfirecentral.

Here is what I came up with on a search: http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-246820.html

But there was one where someone brought it up and everyone dog-piled on the poster for spreading a myth. Again.

Edit 1: found another thread http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-233969.html

Edit 2: more http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-56100.html

The inter net has its share of BS. When working on 41s the first thing to go is the barrel. The barrels are mostly.214 bore diameter which is too tight.. .217 is the better diameter for precision work. The land to groove ratio is not the best.. If you get a chance, look at a Shilen, Lilja of even a Douglas match .22 barrel.. The S&W barrel is not even close..
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Post by Jerry Keefer on Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:02 pm

Flytrap1 wrote:Jerry, Tell me more about the work that you do. Will my 41 as it is now, stock from the factory take me to master class? I would rather spend the money to get it upgraded than buy a used Hammerli from Gunbroker for $2500.00! I stand by the 41,I believe it is a beautiful firearm and has unlimited potential. What can you do to take it to the next level? What's the cost? How long does it take?

I have a Hammerli here now to receive a liner.. The brand name is not a gaurantee.. This gun will barely shoot inch and a half with Eley Red Box..It's always the barrel first.. What is the gun capable of as is.. The frame and components should get the usual smoothing and polish.. The 22 is blow back operated.. FRICTION is your enemy. I smooth debur and polish everything that moves or supports movement.. 41 triggers are pretty good right out of the box..
Iam not taking in work.. Perhaps Jon can help you out.. The smiths that install liners " correctly for bullseye" are sort of limited..
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Post by Flytrap1 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:28 pm

Jerry, I'm mot a serious competitor, I only shoot on my local clubs Wednesday night pistol league, which is indoors at 50' and I only hope to achieve expert (maybe master if I'm lucky) someday. So in your opinion will my stock factory 41 accomplish that?

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Post by Rob Kovach on Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:39 pm

Flytrap,
It's easy for you to find that out by shooting it from a bench rest and seeing if you can shoot a 9s or better slowfire group with it.  Almost all .22s can do that at 50'.

Shooting indoors in leagues is fun, but I gotta tell you--find some outdoor matches this spring and GO!  If you think league is fun, shooting outdoors is more fun.  The people you meet come from a bigger pool and you'll make new friends that you won't be able to get rid of.

Do the same test with your 41 at 50 yards to see how serious you have to be before you need to get a liner for your barrel.  Maybe you will be happy with the results as it is.  You don't need a gunsmith for that. Your goals need to be consistent with your effort and your equipment.
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Post by Jerry Keefer on Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:09 pm

Flytrap1 wrote:Jerry, I'm mot a serious competitor, I only shoot on my local clubs Wednesday night pistol league, which is indoors at 50' and I only hope to achieve expert (maybe master if I'm lucky) someday. So in your opinion will my stock factory 41 accomplish that?

Absolutely...
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