Bullseye vs. Unique

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Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by Flytrap1 on Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:25 am

I know Bullseye is the powder of choice for .45 target loads, but it is smokey and dirty and I don't like it for that reason. I would like to use Unique instead, but will it achieve the same results? Do I use the same amount as Bullseye (3.7 grains) LMK.

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by BE Mike on Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:10 am

The short answer is no. You really ought to stick with a fast burning powder for the best results. The lube on a lead bullet will make smoke, too. If you don't like Bullseye then you may want to try Clays, Clay Dot, Solo 1000, e3, VV 310, American Select or any other number of fast burning powders.

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by Flytrap1 on Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:25 am

I have clay dot, but if you look on Alliants website they say Clay Dot is " not for use in metallic cartridges"

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by BE Mike on Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:31 am

Flytrap1 wrote:I have clay dot, but if you look on Alliants website  they say Clay Dot is " not for use in metallic cartridges"
It is supposed to be a copy of Hodgdon Clays. Clays has been used for many years to load bullseye pistol rounds. If you want to make sure, contact Alliant and ask them about using a small charge for target .45 ACP loads. You can contact them here: http://www.alliantpowder.com/questions/default.aspx

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by Flytrap1 on Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:23 am

I spoke to a rep. at alliant and Was told clay dot is not an exact duplicate of clays. It does mimic it in some respects but they do not recommend it in metallic cartridges do to large fluctuations in pressure.

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by dhenry132 on Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:49 am

5.0 gr of Unique behind a 200 swc gives me the same results as 4.0 gr of Bullseye.
Down fall is Unique does meter worth a flip

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by DavidR on Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:49 am

I shoot bullseye all the time, no smoke to speak of, yes its dirty but so are most powders, unique is way slower than bullseye, here is some info from the comparison chart that shows other powders that are of close or the same burn characteristic's.
     R-1  
  Bullseye     N310
AS30NClaysRed Dot  ASN2010NITRO 100 
Trail Boss  Trail Boss     
AP50NHP 38e3PBW231  AA 2N320
AS50NInternationalGreen Dot700XWST  AA 5 
AP70NUniversalUniqueSR 7625    N330

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by beeser on Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:32 pm

dhenry132 wrote:5.0 gr of Unique behind a 200 swc gives me the same results as 4.0 gr of Bullseye.
Down fall is Unique does meter worth a flip
Ditto on the metering aspects of Unique, at least on a Dillon XL650.

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by james r chapman on Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:41 pm

I've used 3.4 gr claydot with 200 gr lead swc's without issue. Of course, ymmv

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by BE Mike on Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:38 pm

james r chapman wrote:I've used 3.4 gr claydot with 200 gr lead swc's without issue. Of course, ymmv
Since the topic of ClayDot came up, I've been reading a few reports of reloaders using it for quite some time in the .45 ACP for light target loads without issue. I don't think that there are any published loads for e3, but I worked up a good .45 ACP load a few years ago and some of my shooting buddies have been using it ever since with very good results.

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by GrumpyOldMan on Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:58 pm

Might as well ask me if George Foreman could beat Archimedes in a wrestling match.

Haven't seen either of those powders in three towns for more than a year.

A bunch of rifle powders are showing up, but pistol powders flash in and out of sight only every few weeks.

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by beeser on Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:39 am

GrumpyOldMan wrote:Might as well ask me if George Foreman could beat Archimedes in a wrestling match.

Haven't seen either of those powders in three towns for more than a year.

A bunch of rifle powders are showing up, but pistol powders flash in and out of sight only every few weeks.
Same here until a few days ago when HP38 showed up at a LGS.  I'm too embarrassed to say how much I purchased.

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by james r chapman on Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:52 am

All of it!

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by Colt711 on Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:56 pm

The complaint " Bullseye is dirty" or "too dirty" voiced frequently. Since pistols should be cleaned before a match anyhow it would seem a small matter.

If another powder is more accurate and consistent, use it. From reports here that is the case with WST in the .38 spl. Wish I find some to see for myself !

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by LenV on Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:19 pm

I am a firm believer that if you keep the Bullseye load at or greater then 4.2 gr (200gr LSWC) that it burns a lot cleaner. I was told this many years ago and after many years of shooting under and over that weight loads I have had the same results. YMMV.

Len   ( it probably is explainable by some powder guru.)

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by Colt711 on Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:39 pm

OldMaster64 wrote:I am a firm believer that if you keep the Bullseye load at or greater then 4.2 gr (200gr LSWC) that it burns a lot cleaner. I was told this many years ago and after many years of shooting under and over that weight loads I have had the same results. YMMV.

Len   ( it probably is explainable by some powder guru.)

I think this is right on. When I encountered an unexpectedly weak lot of BE it made a dirty, smoky, strange smelling mess. As it was increased to normal functioning it cleaned up.

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Re: Bullseye vs. Unique

Post by beeser on Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:41 pm

OldMaster64 wrote:I am a firm believer that if you keep the Bullseye load at or greater then 4.2 gr (200gr LSWC) that it burns a lot cleaner. I was told this many years ago and after many years of shooting under and over that weight loads I have had the same results. YMMV.

Len   ( it probably is explainable by some powder guru.)
I usually use 3.8g of Bullseye with 185g LSWCs but I just bumped up the load to 4.0g and it does seem to burn cleaner.  FWIW

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