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On Safety - Tags?

Post by beeser on Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:58 pm

A YouTube video that I watched recently showed Jerry Miculek advocating the use of a plastic tie in making the gun safe while heading downrange to check a target.  He essentially placed one end of the tie down the barrel from the breach end.  I have never seen this done before at the range I use but think it's a good idea even when shooting alone.  It's cheap and simple and might be especially effective if a bright colored tie is used.  What are your opinions on this?

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Post by SMBeyer on Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:22 pm

ECI, empty chamber indicator.  They are used ALWAYS at every match I have been to.  I'm surprised that you have been shooting somewhere that they aren't used.

http://www.champchoice.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetailOptions&item=CC100

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Post by dronning on Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:26 pm

A very high % of us use plastic weed trimmer line in bright red or orange as our ECI and it is very cheap.  They are required at every match I've ever attended.  I use them when I practice too, out of habit and it's a good practice.


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Post by beeser on Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:22 am

SMBeyer wrote:ECI, empty chamber indicator.  They are used ALWAYS at every match I have been to.  I'm surprised that you have been shooting somewhere that they aren't used.

http://www.champchoice.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetailOptions&item=CC100
I'm now surprised too that there's this type of disconnect.  I had no idea that ECIs were in such common and accepted use.  I will use them from this time forward.

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Post by Wile E Coyote on Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:30 am

You can easily make one from two zip ties.


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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:32 am

A yellow zip tie goes into every chamber as the gun goes into the safe.
If it isn't tagged, it's assumed hot.
But that's just me

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Post by CR10X on Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:45 am

Per the Conventional Pistol rules. Empty Chamber Indicators required at matches. Commands in rule book include "insert empty chamber indicators".

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Re: On Safety - Tags?

Post by beeser on Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:46 am

STEVE SAMELAK wrote:A yellow zip tie goes into every chamber as the gun goes into the safe.
If it isn't tagged, it's assumed hot.
But that's just me
I was just thinking about that last night and thought it would be a good idea.  Thanks!  I'll do that too.

BTW, is there an ECI for revolvers?  I can't see a zip tie working in that situation unless the cylinder is propped open.

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Post by james r chapman on Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:48 am

Cylinder open, place in forcing cone.

I like the double flex tie idea!

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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:55 am

I put a rubber band across the front of the cylinder & hammer

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Post by AllAces on Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:02 am

Weed Wacker line with a large yellow wire nut at the chamber end.

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Post by Fire Escape on Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:11 am

I have no long history in Pistol but in 1987 we were all issued red, plastic, MTM chamber flags at Perry for Rifle and required to use them (even the guys shooting AR's, the flags did not fit in the bore but they could be cut down to fit the chamber). Most of us had not ever used them and I joked that we would not be allowed to use them next year. Sure enough, in 1988 we were issued the 'same' flag but now in yellow and the red ones were no longer acceptable on the firing line. They are required by my club now, a firearm must either be cased or have a chamber flag in place. They are pretty much universal for competition but the cops that I shoot with (qualifying) have no idea what or why they are exist so......

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Post by LenV on Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:51 am

STEVE SAMELAK wrote:A yellow zip tie goes into every chamber as the gun goes into the safe.
If it isn't tagged, it's assumed hot.
But that's just me

No zip ties in the safe for me. I just figure that until cleared again every gun in it is loaded. Safer that way for me. That's just my opinion.

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Post by SMBeyer on Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:15 pm

Zip ties and weed whacker line do work.  They are better than nothing and for quite a while I used a zip tie with a 28ga shotgun shell cut off and attached to the zip tie for an ECI.  I now use the flag I posted the link to because someone pointed out to me how much easier they are to see.  Often being a match director/ range officer/ line caller, etc. it is much easier on the guy checking each shooting point if you have the big yellow flag.  They can be seen from much further away and just make it a bit easier on the guy checking the line.  Remember, the guy calling the line is volunteering his time there so you can have fun.  If the few bucks spent on a high vis chamber flag makes it easier it's money well spent.  I do keep a package of neon zip ties in the bag for those that forget, loose, don't have theirs.

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Re: On Safety - Tags?

Post by Ed Hall on Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:51 pm

james r chapman wrote:Cylinder open, place in forcing cone.

I like the double flex tie idea!
3.21 Empty Chamber Indicator (ECI) - An ECI is required
in all NRA Sanctioned Pistol competitions to indicate the slide is
open and the chamber is empty. The ECI, when inserted into the
revolver or pistol must extend into the empty chamber or cylinder
and must be externally visible.

Note that, per the rule book, the ECI does not go in the forcing cone...

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Post by james r chapman on Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:29 am

Ooooooh,k.

I guess you can leave a few rounds loaded and the cylinder closed with the eci in place not preventing it from being fired then?

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Post by CR10X on Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:05 am

No, you can't have rounds in the cylinder because the commands per the rule book included "unload" and "cylinders open".

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Re: On Safety - Tags?

Post by Fire Escape on Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:34 am

james r chapman wrote:Ooooooh,k.

I guess you can leave a few rounds loaded and the cylinder closed with the eci in place not preventing it from being fired then?

None of my double action revolvers will allow the cylinder to close with an ECI in place. I suppose one could do that with a partially loaded single action revolver.

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Re: On Safety - Tags?

Post by DavidR on Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:55 am

I take a piece of the bright colored trimmer line, then use a piece of orange duct tape to make a flag end on it, very visible and cheap to make

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Post by dronning on Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:01 pm

DavidR wrote:I take a piece of the bright colored trimmer line, then use a piece of orange duct tape to make a flag end on it, very visible and cheap to make


I like the duct tape flag idea, simple.

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Post by TexasShooter on Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:59 pm

DavidR wrote:I take a piece of the bright colored trimmer line, then use a piece of orange duct tape to make a flag end on it, very visible and cheap to make

+1

I conned my wife into making a big ol' stack of these, keep them handy on match day for folks that don't have an ECI. Over the past year we've about used them all up, time to start talking nice to my wife again...

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Re: On Safety - Tags?

Post by DavidR on Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:21 pm


here is what you need, duck brand bright orange tape, 3.95 at Walmart, trimmer line.

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Post by LenV on Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:48 pm

Ok, I can see that would work real good. Really economical. But then there is classy.

http://www.amazon.com/Empty-Chamber-Indicator-Saftey-Yellow/dp/B009NK3046/ref=sr_1_52?ie=UTF8&qid=1422996353&sr=8-52&keywords=chamber+flags

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Post by DavidR on Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:31 pm

I can make 10 cheaper than the shipping on those, and you can write anything you want on them Laughing

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Post by dronning on Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:40 pm

DavidR wrote:I can make 10 cheaper than the shipping on those, and you can write anything you want on them Laughing


Or buy a rubber stamp and stamp 'em.  If you have a Junior program at your club it might be a good way for them to promote safety and make a little money.

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