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Getting a hard leg (not 22)

Post by LenV on Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:28 pm

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I am not suggesting that they (CMP) set a minimum score to get a hard leg. What I would like to suggest is that they figure out a score that would get a person an 8 (or 6H) point leg even if there were only the 6 shooters at the match to make it an official point winning match.
  We now have a minimum score of 250 that a shooter has to make to get any points. Why not carry it another step further. We all know how hard it is at a local match to get enough shooters on the line for a 6 pointer. Getting 16 non-distinguished shooters to a hardball match (whatever we call it now) is almost impossible.
  Why not have a minimum score that would/could bump any match up to a hard point match. It would not even have to be 8 points but you could earn a score like 6H. Meaning it was worth 6 points but counts as a hard leg.
  I am not suggesting that the "hard" score should be easy. I think it should be a number however that is obtainable with practice and dedication. I don't know how this new softball ammo and weapons are going to work when figuring this hypothetical minimum score and that initial number might have to be adjusted. I think initially a score somewhere between 270 (Expert) and 285 (Master) should earn a person hard leg points. If we didn't have new ammo regulations I would have suggested a score of 275. With the new regs maybe they should be looking at a score of 280+.
 Again, I am not suggesting these are minimum scores to earn a hard leg. This would give shooters a chance to leg out without having to spend the big bucks traveling and a reason to keep shooting at their local matches. The local matches are what keep this sport alive.

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Re: Getting a hard leg (not 22)

Post by Colt711 on Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:42 am

Rob Kovach wrote:.

As far as CMP "profits" are concerned, when did "profit" become a dirty word?  I doubt CMP is using that money for anything other than shooting sports, so what's the problem with them seeking more participants?
I can't even believe that somebody complained about declining participation AND and the money related to more match entrants in the same post!!
I personally would rather have a healthy CMP that has sustainable finances than a bankrupt one.
My mention of profits was to point out a difference in operating necessities faced by DCM & CMP and that a need for profit changed the game. I certainly have nothing against profits. This country is way too hard on them now. Any suggestions I made are in hopes of stimulating changes for the good of the game.   Smile


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Re: Getting a hard leg (not 22)

Post by JayhawkNavy02 on Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:08 am

Jon Eulette wrote:I think the 250 minimum is easier to obtain now that service pistol match is really a powder puff wad match. I'm in favor and quite pleased that there is a minimum score now. Last year I saw a 10 point leg go for a 217. Absolutely pathetic.
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A 250 would have easily won several EIC matches I've reviewed.  The high ND score was around 24X at both.

Now that I know the 250 is my minimum, I practice harder vice giving up as a ND shooter.  I would hope that others do the same.  If the badge isn't difficult to obtain, it doesn't have value.  Hopefully that can be balanced out with keeping interest in the sport.  Tough decisions and I don't envy the work the CMP guys do, but appreciate their effort.  There is no perfect solution, just a set of compromises. 

I guess to me, 250 doesn't sound that hard.  I started BE about 9 months ago or so, and I only have stock Range Officer, with the only accurization being a bushing and the 4lb trigger from Springfield, which I don't particularly like.  I've been hovering around 240 shooting this spring/winter in 30 to 40 deg weather outdoor.  Getting another 10 points is only about a 4% increase in performance.  Not much and within the art of the possible.  I do know that many shooters have expressed anathema at the minimum and I understand their position.
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Leg donor...

Post by carykiteboarder on Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:16 pm

I got this idea from a local shooter who is lending me an EIC legal .45 to shoot at local EIC matches. (He has 28 leg points including his hard leg.) Soooo...

The bottom fraction of competitors at EIC matches should get t-shirts that have a CMP logo and "EIC Leg Donor" blazoned across the back.  Or, give out leg-donor achievement pins. Just because we "have room for improvement" (aka suck), doesn't mean we don't have a sense of humor and the T-shirt could, at least, initiate a good story over a beer.  Perhaps just make it a prize drawing from the leg donor group and give away some ammo or CMP logo gear.

It might turn out that we have so much fun that we decide to spring for that extra gun that we would probably not otherwise have a reason to own.

I'm just a member of the shooting riff-raff passing on the idea of a nearly Distinguished shooter.
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Re: Getting a hard leg (not 22)

Post by jmdavis on Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:22 pm

I like that idea. And that shooter loaning you the .45 is a class act with pistol and rifle.
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Re: Getting a hard leg (not 22)

Post by marlin1881 on Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:33 pm

We need a logo for the EIC leg donor...  Something along the lines of a pirate with a wooden stump.   Cool

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Re: Getting a hard leg (not 22)

Post by Jkvandal on Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:22 pm

I'd wear a t-shirt with something like this on it
lol!

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Re: Getting a hard leg (not 22)

Post by Wobbley on Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:19 pm

With some of our vets returning stateside as amputees, it might seem insensitive.  Unless, it was a maybe a caricature of a pig ( pit pig for rifle and brass hog for pistol) wit a lower leg gone???
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Re: Getting a hard leg (not 22)

Post by Schaumannk on Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:42 am

jmdavis wrote:You need 16 non-distinguished for an 8 point Hard Leg. That should not be an insurmountable number. Though from looking in CO, NM, and AZ I  only see one match that had 16 (Phoeniix, Feb 2014). 

How far is the travel to the western Games from CO for you?
I don't believe there is a pistol LEG match at the Western games. 

Also, it is a thousand miles to Phoenix.    


When we have a LEG match at Buyers, the range is an hour from eastern Denver, two hours if you are up in the Mountains on the west side.  People don't like to drive that far for thirty rounds.   So most the people who shoot are there for the Bullseye and most of those are already distinguished.

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Re: Getting a hard leg (not 22)

Post by C.Perkins on Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:52 pm

Schaumannk wrote:
jmdavis wrote:You need 16 non-distinguished for an 8 point Hard Leg. That should not be an insurmountable number. Though from looking in CO, NM, and AZ I  only see one match that had 16 (Phoeniix, Feb 2014). 

How far is the travel to the western Games from CO for you?
I don't believe there is a pistol LEG match at the Western games. 

Also, it is a thousand miles to Phoenix.    

You are correct Kate.
The Western games held at Ben Avery in Phoenix are rifle only, no pistol.
But knowing my luck since I left, they will Smile

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Re: Getting a hard leg (not 22)

Post by jmdavis on Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:22 pm

Sorry about that I knew that they held leg pistol matches at the Eastern Games and thought they did at the western as well. I know I am lucky to live within easy driving of several large pistol EIC's.
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