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Camp Perry CMP EIC/NTI match stupid question...

Post by C.Perkins on 4/10/2015, 4:36 pm

I have never been to Perry and wanting a little information about getting a hard leg(10 or 8 pointer).
I see that there is an EIC match at the beginning of the week and an NTI match at the end of the week.
Always thought that the NTI was the match to shoot for a hard leg(10 pointer).
Now I just noticed an EIC match at the beginning of the week of shooting.
I would assume that you could get a hard leg at this match and also a second attempt for a hard leg at the NTI match if you shot the whole week ?
If I were to go to Perry and could not be there the whole week was going to just show up and shoot the last day doing the Presidents 100 and the NTI. (would like a shot at the P100 and get my hard leg during the NTI)
Or could I go at the beginning of the week and shoot the EIC and the .22 EIC and get points toward a hard leg on both the ball gun and the .22 ?
I know, stupid question but would hate to drive all that way for not getting what I wanted to do.

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Post by DeweyHales on 4/10/2015, 9:54 pm

The first match is a warm up match. They give tshirts and not leg points. 

You want the final day.
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Post by Schaumannk on 4/10/2015, 10:42 pm

DeweyHales wrote:The first match is a warm up match. They give tshirts and not leg points. 

You want the final day.
This is incorrect.   
 They give T shirts for the Harry Reeves, commemorative coins for the warm up.  

Last year, the first match was a President's Hundred Warm up match, with no significance for EIC.  

This year there is a second Service Pistol EIC match instead, of the President's Hundred warm up that will be shot on Tuesday.

  I don't know how the points are awarded Clarence, but it is a second bite at the Apple for LEG points and with all the people at Perry there should be at least a few 10 and eight point LEGs, unless it runs under the same rules as the NTI, where that all LEGs will be 10 points.

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Post by DeweyHales on 4/10/2015, 10:50 pm

My bad, Clarence. They keep changing everything. I cannot keep it straight. Kate seems to be up on everything though.
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Post by Schaumannk on 4/10/2015, 10:59 pm

DeweyHales wrote:My bad, Clarence. They keep changing everything. I cannot keep it straight. Kate seems to be up on everything though.
I wouldn't know, if I hadn't entered a couple of days ago.   They seem to change stuff every year, without any notice.....   Wink

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Post by Outthere on 4/11/2015, 7:48 am

Did they change the number of EIC matches that you can shoot in a given year?

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Post by Skid on 4/11/2015, 8:14 am

Mr. Perkins thanks for asking the question I didn't understand that either having never shot pistol at Perry. As for the hard leg points I've always been told they only give 10pts at Perry.

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Post by Dr.Don on 4/11/2015, 8:50 am

I legged out in 1991.  But when I was shooting Perry the Civilians got only 10 point legs.  The military guys got 6, 8, or 10 depending upon placement.  In essence everyone was placed by score, but any Civilian who got a leg was awarded 10 points instead of the 6 or 8 he may have "won" by his place in the stack.  Could be different now.
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Post by C.Perkins on 4/11/2015, 9:03 am

Thank you all for the clarification.

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Post by Schaumannk on 4/11/2015, 1:13 pm

Outthere wrote:Did they change the number of EIC matches that you can shoot in a given year?

Thanks.
I think it is now five, and the Tuesday EIC at Camp Perry counts as one of them, but the NTI does not.  

I shot Phoenix, so that means I have three others this year that I can shoot other than the Tuesday EIC at Camp Perry.    I won't shoot Canton because if I do, I will be getting to Perry very late in the evening, so, I guess, The Colorado State regional, the Wyoming state Match so we can award a LEG, and Bristol.   That will be it for me, unless I LEG out at Perry this year.  When that happens I will shoot them all.

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Post by rreid on 4/11/2015, 9:59 pm

I saw the calendar where it shows an EIC match on Tuesday, but this page says it's the warm up match and makes no mention of EIC points for it.
http://thecmp.org/competitions/cmp-national-matches/national-pistol-matches/national-trophy-pistol-matches/.
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Post by Schaumannk on 4/11/2015, 10:04 pm

rreid wrote:I saw the calendar where it shows an EIC match on Tuesday, but this page says it's the warm up match and makes no mention of EIC points for it.
http://thecmp.org/competitions/cmp-national-matches/national-pistol-matches/national-trophy-pistol-matches/.
If you go to actually register for the matches, the information differs.  Looks like someone just updated the web site without bothering to change that page.

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Post by dstates on 4/11/2015, 10:29 pm

Here is the text from the page where you start registering with the CMP for Perry.  From the way I read it, if it counts for one of you 5 EIC matches, then they should be awarding points.

"National Trophy Pistol Match week begins with the Pistol Small Arms Firing School and M9 Pistol EIC Match on 5-6 July. Competitiors check-in for Small Arms Firing School on Sunday 5 July.  We will continue on 7 July with a CMP EIC Service Pistol Match and the new CMP .22 Rimfire EIC Pistol Match.  The CMP EIC Service Pistol Match will be a regular EIC Service Pistol match and will count as one of your five allowed matches for the year.  The week concludes with the National Trophy Pistol Matches on 12 July."

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Post by Rob Kovach on 4/11/2015, 10:38 pm

Clarence,
The Wisconsin team has space in the huts for you if you decide to make the trip. If you are able to spend the whole week, you can carpool with us and save some gas money.
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Post by C.Perkins on 4/12/2015, 9:55 am

Rob Kovach wrote:Clarence,
The Wisconsin team has space in the huts for you if you decide to make the trip. If you are able to spend the whole week, you can carpool with us and save some gas money.

Rob, thanks for the offer.

Looks like we are finally warming up to spring time, frost seems to be out of the ground.
Got work around the new home.
Build a fence to contain the dog and level the home in certain places and clean up a couple acres of pine needles and trim trees.
All in due time, then find a job and back to work.
Got to love god's country, liking it so far.

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Post by brassmaster on 4/12/2015, 9:45 pm

The number of Leg Matches that a competitor may enter in a calendar year effective 2015:
19th Edition Rule Book, 02-05-15
9.2.2 EIC Match Eligibility for Non-Distinguished Civilians
"One National Trophy Individual Match"
"A maximum of five (5) CMP Sanctioned Service Rifle or Service Pistol EIC Matches."
"The scores of any competitor who fires in more than five (5) EIC Matches in one calendar year will not be counted in determining EIC credit points."
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