75deg. stance vs 45deg. stance

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75deg. stance vs 45deg. stance

Post by 285wannab on Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:40 pm

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So I have something that you might find interesting. And I might of brought it up before but here goes. During a match I stand 75deg. from the shooting line.  My eye, sight and target lines up nicely.  The thing is when I'm messing around and try standing at a 45deg. from the shooting line I feel much more solid.  My slow fire scores are better but timed and rapid are not as good.  And thats because I am fighting to keep things lined up.  One thing about the 45deg. stance is my face is straight forward where with the 75deg. my face is offset. With the 75deg. stance  my wrist is pretty straight and with the 45deg. stance my wrist has to be bent outward.
I would like to change over to the 45deg. stance but.....would it make sense????
Looking for ideas and opinions

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Re: 75deg. stance vs 45deg. stance

Post by dronning on Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:06 am

With a rifle you are touching it in at least 4 places, shoulder, cheek, trigger hand and fore arm. In all position but offhand you are also strapped in with a sling and your elbows act like a tripod. Letting your body come to rest your rifle will settle to a NPA.

With a pistol there is one point of contact (your grip) and it's supported by your wrist, arm muscles, shoulder, torso and legs, way too many variables to settle to a single point of aim. IMHO it's more of an area of aim.

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Re: 75deg. stance vs 45deg. stance

Post by Jack H on Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:21 am

I speak of a position of automatic sight alignment to your eye.  The position has many variables from the grip to the eye.  Arm angle to the target is the last thing to consider.

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Re: 75deg. stance vs 45deg. stance

Post by Rob Kovach on Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:36 pm

DavidR wrote:And Mr. Zins says NPA is BS! Maybe someone who took his clinic can elaborate on this and what his thoughts about it are
The term "Natural Point of Aim" is a term in rifle shooting that means when you are in your shooting position and completely relaxed, you can close your eyes and open them again and the sights are perfectly on target.

There is NO WAY a pistol shooter can completely relax and still have the sights on target, therefore there is no similar experience for pistol shooters.

We do "build our shooting position" in a manner that is comfortable, and reproducible to the point that it comes naturally, but that doesn't mean that's a "natural point of aim".

Let's talk about grip again--we need to develop a grip that lines the sights up with our eye without stirring the gun around at the wrist.  It takes practice.

When I lift the gun, I do it with my grip, wrist, elbow--my entire arm holding at the same tension as when I shoot.  I lift with just my shoulder.  I want to make sure that my shoulder is in a comfortable spot when it comes up--where my shoulder muscles are strongest.  From there I move my feet to make sure the comfortable spot is on target when everything is lined up.

Zins didn't tell me I was doing it wrong, so I'm guessing it was good enough.

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Re: 75deg. stance vs 45deg. stance

Post by Wobbley on Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:22 pm

The purpose of the NPA in pistol is to center your natural wobble.  I fount my stance by gripping my pistol then aiming at the black.  Then I closed my eyes and tried to hold the pistol still.  After a few seconds I opened my eyes and then adjusted my stance to keep the wobble more or less centered on the target.  It's just to make it easier to establish your stance.

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