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Taylor throating- legal for DR ?

Post by Dr.Lee on Thu May 21, 2015 9:48 am

Is Taylor throating legal in DR. ? Technically not an external modification.

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Post by james r chapman on Thu May 21, 2015 11:55 am

• 3.1.4 Distinguished Revolver -
The revolver must be capable
of chambering and firing a 158-grain round nose or Semi-Wad
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cutter .38 Special cartridge. It must be a factory manufactured
revolver with no external modifications except for stocks which
may be modified or changed because of the size of the competitor’
hand or to facilitate loading. Except for stocks and the honing of
the sear or sear notch to make a more crisp trigger, and maintain
a 2 1/2 lb. minimum trigger pull, no external or internal modifi-
cation may be made to the revolver as manufactured and sold by
the factory of origin. No parts may be removed from the revolver,
either externally or internally, nor may any part be added, with
the exception of milling the cylinder to accommodate moon clips.
Specifically prohibited is any system of recoil control based upon
compensators, barrel venting, barrel porting or weighted grips.
....


I would have to say no, although I know of many Distinguished guns that have had throating.
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Post by Jack H on Thu May 21, 2015 1:11 pm

Not to mention not knowing the history of a used revolver like a Colt OMM or S&W 14.
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Post by Jon Eulette on Thu May 21, 2015 1:18 pm

The referee wouldn't know Taylor throating from typical forcing cone chamfer. No way to tell with out pulling barrel out of the frame which is never gonna happen.
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Post by james r chapman on Thu May 21, 2015 2:57 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:The referee wouldn't know Taylor throating from typical forcing cone chamfer. No way to tell with out pulling barrel out of the frame which is never gonna happen.
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true, and many that don't have the Power 11* forcing cone anyway.
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Post by Axehandle on Sat May 23, 2015 1:25 pm

FWIW I'd say that intent of the rule is to prevent real modification like parts changing to aftermarket stuff.   A poorly written rule does nothing but create confusion.   A person with experience with the EIC and Service pistol rules would think that reaming cylinder throats and recutting the forcing cone would be well within the rules.  Looks like the writers of the rules were smart enough to cover trigger jobs.   Clarification will take protests filed when some well intentioning NRA referee culls the revolvers of ALL DSR competitors whose revolvers have chamber throats with evidence that a cutter has been used to clean them up.

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Post by Axehandle on Sat May 23, 2015 1:57 pm

For the guys who are wondering.  Here is an example of "Taylor Throating" on a stainless Ruger Blackhawk.  The work was done by Jim Stroh.

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Post by Jack H on Sat May 23, 2015 2:11 pm

I read the Jim Stroh has retired and no longer in the business. 

I wonder who will pick  up the Taylor Throating work.
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Post by Jerry Keefer on Sat May 23, 2015 3:23 pm

I have done many.. I consider it the same as blue printing the existing components.. Can the crown be cut to zero???? That is not a modification. Cutting the forcing cone on center or increasing the leade would fall in the same catagory. Adjusting or correcting the timing and or lock up.  Aligning the yoke, and center pin, lapping the chamber throats to compliment the bore diameter... All  adjustments, not modifications.
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Post by Jack H on Sat May 23, 2015 5:51 pm

Never thought of it as adjustment.  

I got one of those 25-2 that you would have to lap the bore to compliment the chamber throats  lol! 


But I would like to fix up a 4 screw 14.  Any takers?
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Post by james r chapman on Sat May 23, 2015 6:04 pm

Jerry Keefer wrote:I have done many.. I consider it the same as blue printing the existing components.. Can the crown be cut to zero???? That is not a modification. Cutting the forcing cone on center or increasing the leade would fall in the same catagory. Adjusting or correcting the timing and or lock up.  Aligning the yoke, and center pin, lapping the chamber throats to compliment the bore diameter... All  adjustments, not modifications.
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Post by CR10X on Sun May 24, 2015 1:47 pm

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Post by Colt711 on Tue May 26, 2015 10:29 pm

Cecil, you have a comment that you are just able to hold back on......!

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Post by LenV on Wed May 27, 2015 11:01 am

Did it come that way from the factory? No. Would the factory do this "modification" if you asked them to bring the pistol to spec? No.. It is a modification to the pistol and with the current rules as written it would not be legal. You can say they didn't mean it when they wrote the rule as written. You can also tell yourself that it is ok because it is not easy to tell it was done to the pistol. Maybe it is time to change the rules and list everything you can or can not do to the pistol. But IMHO this modification is not legal with the current rules as written.

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Post by GrumpyOldMan on Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:07 pm

If it deviates from the factory specs, it's a modification.

As written, I believe the rule stinks. Polishing chambers okay, fixing bad timing, okay, lining the chambers up to the bore, okay, reaming the chamber throats okay ONLY if within the tolerances specified by the factory. But what if the specs changed over the years for THAT model? Oh, suddenly a clear enough rule becomes ambiguous (more than one meaning *reasonably* possible) without adding language regarding factory specs for each handgun's production era. THAT might then have unintended consequences of fueling a year-of-production equipment race... 

Cleaning up the crown to the same factory angle should be okay and that's how I would interpret the rule. A repair that eats .05 or so into the bore just shouldn't count as a forbidden modification.

The idea is to limit the equipment to essentially box-stock. Don't go down the silly NASCAR route, please! Dem's not "stock" cars for sure! For now at least, the line has been drawn to exclude changing the throat specs.  But like my argument on crowns, you should be allowed to clean up the throat at the same factory angle, so long as it doesn't eat too deep into the bore. Allowing that to a limit of say, .1 inch or .075 or so of allowed "added freebore" so to speak I believe stays close enough to "stock" for this revolver game.

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