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ETarget scoring clarified

Post by dronning on 6/12/2015, 9:57 am

I added this new thread so it wouldn't get lost in the other thread.

It has been clarified the Service Pistol EIC match was score based on the .45 mask, so the 9MM shooters got an advantage.

All future matches each shooters caliber will be entered!

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?p=1310850#post1310850

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"For clarification on the issue of how shots are scored, Mark Johnson is correct; the shots are calculated from the center hit. The scores have an added calculation, which has been clarified for us by KTS. The following explanation came from Kongsberg Target System:

“In our system, as in most other electronic target systems, we calculate the centre point of the hit, this can be read as the shot coordinate on the monitor. But, when we calculate the shot VALUE a gauge is added in the calculation. For the match on Sunday, 5.56 mm gauge were used for the .22 cal pistol program (in the morning), and 11.43mm were used for the big bore program (in the afternoon).”

The EIC Pistol match held in Talladega on Sunday June 7th used a gauge of 11.43mm, this is the gauge of .45 caliber.

KTS is currently working on a system that will allow each shooter to tell us the caliber of pistol they are shooting, and have it calculate accordingly. However, during the match on Sunday this was not an option in the software, so all shots were scored with a .45 gauge.

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Re: ETarget scoring clarified

Post by CR10X on 6/12/2015, 12:31 pm

Id still rather have a plug since they can be .2225 - .2240 and .450 - .454. And check out the allowance for 9mm plug.

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Re: ETarget scoring clarified

Post by james r chapman on 6/12/2015, 12:38 pm

I don't believe a magnified plug will give you that .001 your looking for.
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Post by CR10X on 6/12/2015, 12:40 pm

That is the range for plugs given in the rule book.

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Post by james r chapman on 6/12/2015, 12:52 pm

I meant, if they're using the same dia. Of an approved plug for their mask a plug wouldn't gain anything but eyestrain and a lightened pocket book due to failed protest fees.
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Re: ETarget scoring clarified

Post by dronning on 6/12/2015, 12:57 pm

I have NEVER heard someone say when asking for a plug "make sure to use the .452 plug"!

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Post by CR10X on 6/12/2015, 1:07 pm

It appears they are only using the minimum for the .45 gauge input. That means you would have better odds using any random .45 plug to score the shot.

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Post by CR10X on 6/12/2015, 1:09 pm

And that plug might be .452 since it is allowed. You just never know....

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Post by james r chapman on 6/12/2015, 2:53 pm

Well, since the NRA dictated plug dia tolerance is +/-.001, I'd say close enough.
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Post by dronning on 6/12/2015, 3:13 pm

james r chapman wrote:Well, since the NRA dictated plug dia tolerance is +/-.001, I'd say close enough.

+1 I agree

.454 verses .450 that means .002 on the radius. If you are really concerned about that then I'd petition the CMP to use the upper tolerance for all the calibers.

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Post by CR10X on 6/12/2015, 3:39 pm

I'm just doing this for fun now. Maybe I'm being too obtuse, so before i get thrown into solitary. My point is that someone at CMP should be reading the rules and figuring this out ahead of time. Thsnks.

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Post by dronning on 6/12/2015, 3:44 pm

CR10X wrote:I'm just doing this for fun now. Maybe I'm being too obtuse, so before i get thrown into solitary. My point is that someone at CMP should be reading the rules and figuring this out ahead of time. Thsnks.

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Post by DavidR on 6/12/2015, 4:14 pm

It was all a ploy, rather than having everyone whining about the non turning electronic targets they switched the focus to scoring and now they have let us think we corrected them with all our talk so we feel like we won lol!
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Post by C.Perkins on 6/12/2015, 7:32 pm

Glad to hear that they are going to attempt to use the E-target systems to their full potential.
Geez, was that so hard Rolling Eyes .

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Post by Froneck on 6/12/2015, 8:19 pm

CMP does not have to use NRA Rules, they make there own rules.

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Re: ETarget scoring clarified

Post by CR10X on 6/12/2015, 8:56 pm

Froneck:

Actually, the CMP rules refer to the NRA rules for items not covered under the CMP rules.  Scoring equipment is one of those items. 

5.1.2 NRA Rules For matches that use Service Rifle or Service Pistol courses of fire described in Rule 7.0 or Rule 8.0, applicable NRA Pistol or High Power Rifle Rules apply in all areas that are not covered by CMP Competition Rules. 

5.1.3 Rule Interpretations The CMP may issue rule interpretations for rules in the CMP Competition Rules that are unclear or in dispute. CMP rule interpretations may not change, set aside or alter the application of specific rules in the CMP Competition Rules or applicable NRA Rules. 

5.8 Firing Procedures Pistol firing procedures in CMP-sanctioned matches must be conducted according to applicable CMP and NRA Pistol Rules (NRA Rule 10.0). Rifle firing procedures in CMP-sanctioned matches must be conducted according to CMP Highpower Rifle Firing Procedures and Range Commands published as Annex A to these rules. 

5.9 Firing and Completing a Match 

Note: Competition rules that are not covered in this rulebook, including specific procedures for handling malfunctions and refires, are governed by appropriate rules in Sections 9 and 10 of the NRA Highpower Rifle Rules or the NRA Pistol Rules (see Rule 5.1.2). However, if a CMP Rule addresses a situation or issue, the CMP Rule takes precedence over the NRA Rule.

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