Philosophical NRA question

dronning wrote:Being someone that was responsible for a $400MM budget and the person they sent in to do a walk through on a company valuations (I was always within 3-5% of assets and operating costs).  You would be surprised how much information people on the "shop floor" can provide.  There are a ton of questions that I'd have to ask but my guess it's a money pit.

It's a money maker for Ohio, I'd guess that Ohio charges back a minimum of 150% (33% margin) of the actual costs including all salary and benefits from anyone involved, probably all enlisted personnel working too, building rental market price for office space.  NRA lets say they are only allocating 100% of salary and benefits of anyone involved.  The Nationals are a month long, prep and wrap up time is at least another month, but not full force.  The NRA could justify allocating 1/6th of some peoples salaries/benefits to the Nationals - how much to pistol 1/4 of that or is it by # of competitors?  Do the NRA executives on the pistol committee get paid?.  Then you have all the part timers that get hired.  If the NRA hires them it's at least a 100% cost, if OHNG hires them it's a minimum of a 150% cost.  What about all the computers etc. short term lease? - wow that's expensive because they must be installed and removed, is support provided?  Do they bring them with - still pricy - because they could/should allocate the costs of their IT guys to do that work. Housing for volunteers, materials including advertising.  Logistics in general.  Setting up repair and take down of the targets, is this done by the OHNG or is repair work contracted out?  Backers and targets + pasting, hauling them out to range and back, believe or not with labor, truck rentals etc.. that alone is way over $50K even with OCC scrap value at $150/ton.

The NRA & CMP bring in about $300K in pistol event registrations, so to me even with sponsor money (actual fees charged are on the NRA website) plus any fees paid by CMP to NRA for running the events, it doesn't take much to understand what a loosing proposition the Nationals are for the NRA/CMP.

- Dave  

Schaumannk wrote:BEmike,   I don't believe either you or Denny has the education or financial background to conduct a fair audit of either the NRA's expenditures, the CMP expenditures or the Guard money that goes into Camp Perry.  

It has nothing to do with intelligence, it has to do with both having access to the information, and enough experience in law and forensic accounting to understand it.  

Camp Perry isn't a lemonade stand.   It is a complicated joint venture.  


He, like you, has probably never seen the actual contracts, and financial documents pertaining to general NRA operations or their agreements with the CMP.  

Ignoring the fact that the CMP volunteers, and NRA volunteers at Camp Perry, as well as the target systems, real estate, staff, and offices are essentially a four party joint venture, between the federal government, the Ohio state government, the NRA, and the CMP without knowing who pays directly for what (and how many kick backs and write offs each party receives) is just silly.

dronning wrote:As you well know the NRA has to include all other indirect costs and allocate a %, admin. etc. when they balance their "books".

BE Mike wrote:
You are correct. Your education and experience in law and financial matters eclipses mine. All that has not won me over to your arguments. You have made some pretty serious insinuations. Perhaps you should initiate an investigation into the finances of the NRA and it's conduct of the national matches. I'm sure that no anti-gun organizations have attempted to take down the NRA through such investigating. I have been told that I would argue with a fence post, but I have nothing on lawyers.

Schaumannk wrote:

dronning wrote:As you well know the NRA has to include all other indirect costs and allocate a %, admin. etc. when they balance their "books".

This is the one point where we disagree.  

The NRA has no obligation as a non profit to justify what they spend their money on, to balance their books, or to turn a profit.  In fact if they did, they would lose their non profit status.

Schaumannk wrote:Why is it, that the NRA can send me between five and ten pieces of junk mail every month, but doesn't have the resources to mail out award points earned at Camp Perry?

Schaumannk wrote:

And what insinuations have I made?  

Wobbley wrote:We can argue til the cows come home about the state of the NRA, CMP,OHNG, and the Nationals, but the real question to ask is what can we as competitive shooters do about it?  We talked about a move from Perry to eliminate the gouging from OHNG, but that has other issues attached.  So what can and should we do?  Jawboning doesn't solve much.

r_zerr wrote:This appears to be the direction of NRA Competitions:  https://wsc.nra.org/

I will reserve my comments; they are not very positive. 

-Ron

james r chapman wrote:Hell, I should go. Just telling them to provide proper left handed equipment will throw them into a tizzy....