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Another 1911 in my future

Post by lablover on Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:43 pm

This bug has bitten hard.  I'm thinking of instead of messing with trying to mount a ultra dot on my Springfield RO and then remove it for EIC/CMP matches..I might just as well get another 1911 for the dot  Smile

Any recommendations on a good start.  I saw a nice springfield loaded Stainless at the local GS.

I'd like to get something that I can build up...I don't want to spend 2K plus on a new pistol....Yet  Smile

See lots of Remingtons but not sure...And I know Kimbers seem to be the NON favorite here.


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What is the difference between a "Wad Gun" and a Hardball Gun...Sorry for the newb question

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Post by Jon Eulette on Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:05 pm

Do not get a SS pistol for a match pistol. SS will gall and it is soft in comparison to carbon steel and will not last as long. Most pistolsmiths do not like working with it. 
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Post by JayhawkNavy02 on Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:16 pm

A vote for the RO.  I went back and forth between accurizing my RO, getting a semi-custom or a full custom.  There are no wrong answers.  Your wallet is the limit.  I ended up with Dave Sams building my Ball and Wad gun and used my RO with my Nelson for a 22.  My RO with just a bushing shoots very well and the advice on the forum was invaluable.  Great pistol to start with.   I would have done the exact same thing again.


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Post by james r chapman on Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:17 pm

What about putting accurails on a ss gun...
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Post by lablover on Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:30 pm

I'm not hung up on a SS gun for the record.  Maybe another RO...LOL

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Post by Jon Eulette on Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:58 pm

I wouldn't personally accurail SS pistol. The round rails only take up the slop on the frame and slide. They still have to bear on each other. I know there are high tech coatings out there for SS, but thats beyond my intetest.
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Post by james r chapman on Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:22 pm

thanks.
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Post by LenV on Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:05 pm

What is the difference between a "Wad Gun" and a Hardball Gun...Sorry for the newb question

With the change in ammo requirements the answer is not much. A ball gun has to shoot jacketed ammo and can not have optics. I think that is petty much it with the new rules. A couple of other things I guess. You can shoot a .45 ball gun for CF and .45 matches but only .45 cal  can be fired in the .45 match. I mention that because hardball guns don't have to be .45 cal. There is a big list of allowed ball guns.
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Post by kwixdraw on Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:05 pm

I believe that I saw in Caspian's online catalog that they will apply a Titanium carbide coating to their stainless frames and slides if you order them as a set and have them hand fitted. Do we have someone who has done this or knows something about it?
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Post by Wobbley on Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:17 pm

I would stay away from a coating or plating applied to the rails.  If it flakes off, your fit just went to stink and it would be difficult to recoat.  There's noting wrong with stainless but with the close fits required for bullseye, galling would be an issue.  If you had a regular steel slide and stainless frame and a two tone gun it would eliminate the galling and would be an attractive combination.
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Post by LenV on Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:40 pm

Has anyone seen a SS frame gall on a newer production pistol? I heard horror stories 30 years ago but I haven't heard about anything in recent years. I would think the gun manufacturers that have great warranties like SA would have either quit making them or perfected them rather then replace/repair them. I don't have a problem with stainless. I don't have 100,000 rounds thru mine so don't know what its life expectancy is but I do have the 1000 that someone mentioned. Probably in the neighborhood of 5000. No signs of either pistol rattling apart yet.

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Post by Jon Eulette on Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:25 am

Last SS pistol I worked on for a BE pistol was a SA Loaded .45. It galled before I ever touched it. I had it sent to SA under warranty. When it came back I ended up replacing slide with a carbon one. No problems, it's still running strong.
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Post by Wobbley on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:40 am

Stainless tends to gall based on the nickle content in the alloy.  And it isn't truly a stainless steel until you get 8 percent nickle in the alloy.  There are similar corrosion resistant steels that only rely on chromium but they're not a true stainless. You can reduce the tendency to gall by mixing stainless alloys.
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Post by james r chapman on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:53 am

I'll be sure to specify that for my next stainless gun..  Rolling Eyes
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Post by Wobbley on Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:49 am

Some info on stainless and early issues here. It even took S&W a few years to learn how to use stainless steels.  http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1961-1980/222384-early-problems-s-w-stainless-steel.html
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Post by Astroimage2002 on Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:30 pm

Wobbley wrote:Stainless tends to gall based on the nickle content in the alloy.  And it isn't truly a stainless steel until you get 8 percent nickle in the alloy.  There are similar corrosion resistant steels that only rely on chromium but they're not a true stainless. You can reduce the tendency to gall by mixing stainless alloys.

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I thought that any "like" material would gall... A2 to A2, D2 to D2 ect... 

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Re: Another 1911 in my future

Post by Jon Eulette on Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:05 pm

If you get a Caspian Frame and slide to tight using carbon steel for both they'll gall. Too tight is too tight.
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Re: Another 1911 in my future

Post by Axehandle on Mon Aug 17, 2015 6:51 am

Years back we NEVER saw a stainless gun on the line.  Recently I see them in the hands of good shooters..   Noticed that Bob Marvel offers a tune up for some of the up scale guns.  Personally recently picked up pair of pre series II (no FP safety) Kimber Super Match 45s.  May send them out and have them cleaned up one day.

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