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Is this DSR legal

Post by LenV on Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:14 pm

I have read 3.1.4 a bunch of times and I don't see why it wouldn't be with the existing rules. The only thing that might DQ it is the barrel weights but the only mention of weights in 3.1.4 talks about grip weights. I wouldn't want to put out this kind of bucks for another Reeves gun. Model SW170319FC  http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766129_-1_757896_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by james r chapman on Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:42 pm

3.1.4 Distinguished Revolver -
The revolver must be capable
of chambering and firing a 158-grain round nose or Semi-Wad
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cutter .38 Special cartridge. It must be a factory manufactured
revolver with no external modifications except for stocks which

may be modified or changed because of the size of the competitor’s

hand or to facilitate loading. Except for stocks and the honing of
the sear or sear notch to make a more crisp trigger, and maintain
a 2 1/2 lb. minimum trigger pull, no external or internal modifi
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cation may be made to the revolver as manufactured and sold by
the factory of origin. No parts may be removed from the revolver,
either externally or internally, nor may any part be added, with
the exception of milling the cylinder to accommodate moon clips.
Specifically prohibited is any system of recoil control based upon
compensators, barrel venting, barrel porting or weighted grips.
Exposed holes that have been drilled and tapped for mounting of a
scope are not considered to be an external modification.
(a) Trigger- Must have single and double action capability and
must be capable of lifting 2 1/2 lbs when the revolver is cocked for
single action firing. Triggers will be weighed. Any trigger, sold
by the manufacturer of the revolver, without modification, may be
used.
(b) Sights- Fixed or adjustable rear sights may be used. An Ad
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justable front sight is not allowed.
(c) Barrel- Length not to exceed six and one- half inches. (6
1/2”)
(d) Stocks- Except as set forth above, the right and left stocks
must be mirror images of each other.
(e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158
grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only.
(f) The following are not allowed. Trigger shoes, compensa
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tors of type or design; any external trigger stop device; any inter
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nal trigger stop not originally installed by the factory as original
equipment in stock revolvers of the same make and model; tape on
the stocks or stocks flared at the base.

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by Rob Kovach on Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:13 pm

If that's how that gun comes from the factory, I would say it's legal.

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by james r chapman on Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:33 am

Possible problem, the trigger stop is external.

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by JIMPGOV on Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:53 am

SORRY IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
(f) The following are not allowed. Trigger shoes, compensators of type or design; any external trigger stop device; any internal trigger stop not originally installed by the factory as original equipment in stock revolvers of the same make and model; tape on
the stocks or stocks flared at the base.



EXTERNAL TRIGGER STOP IN STOCK REVOLVERS OF SAME MAKE AND MODEL. STANDARD 686'S DO NOT HAVE THE TRIGGER STOP. JP

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by lablover on Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:20 am

Sorry in advance but I need to ask.  What is DSR?

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by Fire Escape on Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:39 am

lablover wrote:Sorry in advance but I need to ask.  What is DSR?



Distinguished Service Revolver



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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by lablover on Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:40 am

Thanks

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by Fire Escape on Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:00 am

Rob Kovach wrote:If that's how that gun comes from the factory, I would say it's legal.




Performance Center, essentially a custom shop attached to the production facility. I don't see where a PC gun is really different from any other custom gun in regards to the rules of competition.

One could argue the point that any and every gun is a factory gun, just sometimes it is a really small factory but.....

It seems that DSR (like so many other types of 'stock' competition) begins with the premise that one competes head to head with others, all using 'standard' production guns rather than expensive, customized ones. Then the 'gamesmanship' of 'what can I get away with and still be production' begins. Then it becomes much like 'NASCAR' (the traditional home of cheating) where you can't win unless you cheat* at least as much as the 'other guy.'

I like 'nice' guns and enjoy making them better or having someone else do it so that they shoot better. It just seems (to me) that something like a DSR gun ought to be a real, off the production line, shot the way they built it gun.

YMMV


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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by james r chapman on Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:41 am

Pretty clearly it has an external trigger stop. Pretty clearly external trigger stops are not allowed regardless of factory installation, or, as an eraser glued to the back of the trigger.

IMHO.

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by lablover on Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:00 am

I know I'm the new guy but the way I read it..See bold  It should be ok?




(f) The following are not allowed. Trigger shoes, compensa
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tors of type or design; any external trigger stop device; any inter
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nal trigger stop "not originally installed by the factory as original
equipment in stock revolvers of the same make and model; tape on
the stocks or stocks flared at the base.

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by dronning on Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:06 am

lablover wrote:I know I'm the new guy but the way I read it..See bold  It should be ok?




(f) The following are not allowed. Trigger shoes, compensa
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tors of type or design; any external trigger stop device; any inter
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nal trigger stop "not originally installed by the factory as original
equipment in stock revolvers of the same make and model; tape on
the stocks or stocks flared at the base.

Except the 686 (non performance shop) does not come with the trigger stop.

Having said that it's easy enough to order without the trigger stop - or just remove the screw.

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by BE Mike on Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:11 am

The external and internal trigger stops are different animals in the rules. The first (external) isn't allowed under any circumstances. The second (internal) is allowed if revolvers of the same make and model could have had them equipped at the factory when new.

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by james r chapman on Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:18 am

BE Mike wrote:The external and internal trigger stops are different animals in the rules. The first (external) isn't allowed under any circumstances. The second (internal) is allowed if revolvers of the same make and model could have had them equipped at the factory when new.

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Post by james r chapman on Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:40 am

Interesting read sight also.

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by LenV on Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:29 pm

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. It looks like it would be legal just by removing the trigger stop screw. At least that would appear to be the only sticker. I never noticed the screw. I was more concerned with the add on/off weights being the problem.

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by james r chapman on Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:32 pm

I'd check specifically with the NRA before making a $1700 mistake..,

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by Jack H on Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:55 pm

DSR ?

Where is "Service" in the rule:

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by JIMPGOV on Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:17 pm

I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A SCREW. ISN'T IT A ROLL PIN? JP

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by lablover on Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:19 pm

I wish I would of never looked at this..Now I want a darn revolver...LOL

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by james r chapman on Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:19 pm

Regardless, that would fall under "no parts removed"

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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:33 pm

JIMPGOV wrote:I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A SCREW. ISN'T IT A ROLL PIN? JP

I think the internal stop is a pin fit into the rebound plunger
External should be a screw

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Post by JIMPGOV on Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:27 pm

SHOULD BE A ROLL PIN. IT'S A ROLL PIN ON MY PC F-COMP, AND IT'S A ROLL PIN ON THE PC SSR 4". SEVERAL GUYS BOUGHT THE PC SSR 4" AND TRIED TO USE THEM AT THE POLICE NATIONALS FOR THE SERVICE MATCH AND THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED EITHER. SORRY STEVE THE SCREWS ON AND THRU THE TRIGGERS WE'RE DONE BY AFTER MARKET GUNS SMITHS. BUT YOU WERE CORRECT THE INTERNAL TRIGGER STOP BY S&W WAS A PIN  ( S&W PRODUCT # 075000000). JP

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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:50 pm

I guess that's one way to keep me from tinkering with it.

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Re: Is this DSR legal

Post by james r chapman on Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:51 pm

internal generally would be legal. I agree with Jimpgov.

But, also, the NRA Law Enforcement rules for production and the NRA Precision Pistol rules for production do not coexist very well. The very nice Weigand replacement rear sight blade is allowed on production S&W's by the LE Division, but, NOT by the Precision  Pistol Division.

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