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1911 Recoil Spring Poundage Recomendation

Post by Tim:H11 on Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:37 pm

I think - I'm not sure I still have incomplete data from testing - but I think I'm gonna use 4.0 grains of Bullseye with a 200 grain LSWC. Should I use the standard 16 or 16.5 pound recoil spring or should it be lightened to insure function or should it be heavier to absorb some recoil? What is a typical bullseye poundage in the recoil spring?

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Re: 1911 Recoil Spring Poundage Recomendation

Post by Rob Kovach on Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:42 pm

It matters whether you are shooting irons or a slide mounted optic, what mainspring you are using, as well as whether you have a radiused firing pin stop, but I use a 19lb mainspring with a 19lb recoil spring with iron sights and a lighter load than you are using.

Use the heaviest spring combination that you can that locks the slide back most of the time when the magazine becomes empty.  An undersprung gun will see a different set of function problems (and damage over a longer period of time) just as function problems occur in an oversprung gun (but the gun doesn't get battered with an oversprung gun)

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Post by Jon Eulette on Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:49 pm

Try a 13# spring for starters. I believe you are using a RO.
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Post by Christopher Miceli on Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:56 pm

Hey Tim, I have a package of new springs 11lb-15lb I can send you if you wanna pay shipping.  They are even color coded. PM me with mailing info. 

http://www.taylor-tactical-supply.com/1911-Recoil-Spring-p/1911-recoil-spring.htm

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Re: 1911 Recoil Spring Poundage Recomendation

Post by Tim:H11 on Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:59 pm

If I were to lighten the mainspring AND the recoil spring... Won't the gun beat it's self up? It's a Springfield RO. Factory springs with my load above it just about cycles.

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Post by bgw45 on Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:03 pm

If you have the ILS mainspring housing the numbers will be different. Research what you will need. I changed to a housing without ILS BUT don't compete. Could violate the rules.

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Post by james r chapman on Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:45 pm

Tim, you need to find the numerous threads on modifying the guts of the ILS to be more "normal". It only requires 3 standard components and you can use the existing housing.

try this.

replacing guts in ILS

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Re: 1911 Recoil Spring Poundage Recomendation

Post by Tim:H11 on Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:57 pm

Isn't there a rule about safety's and factory mechanisms working the way the ought to?

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Re: 1911 Recoil Spring Poundage Recomendation

Post by james r chapman on Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:10 pm

It's not a safety.

Can you replace the hammer, sear, trigger?

what about the frame? slide?

maybe the sights?

grips?

If you have concerns, replace with a standard MSH. it's in da rules...

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Re: 1911 Recoil Spring Poundage Recomendation

Post by Bigtrout on Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:07 am

I just tuned my 9mm 5" RO with a Wolff spring kit consisting of 10,11,12,13 & 14 lbs.   The stock 9 lb. spring seemed too light for my 4.5 grn. TG and MG 115 JHP.   The 14 and 13 locked back on the empty mag but the ejected cases sort of "dribbled."  The 12 seemed to throw the cases better and cycled 9 rounds perfectly.  Lockback is important but weak ejection will eventually cause FTE's and stovepipes.  I'd advise against using lockback as the only criterion.

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Post by Rob Kovach on Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:23 am

Bigtrout,
Tim's 45 RO will be sprung heavier, but the tuning process is correct.

Tim, the RO spring question has been hashed out a few times on the forum. You can find them via the search function.

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Re: 1911 Recoil Spring Poundage Recomendation

Post by Bigtrout on Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:50 pm

Rob Kovach wrote:Bigtrout,
Tim's 45 RO will be sprung heavier, but the tuning process is correct.

Tim, the RO spring question has been hashed out a few times on the forum.  You can find them via the search function.
Right Rob, I was only trying to point Tim toward the process irrespective of caliber.  I want to do a complete range evaluation to see if I got a reduction in group size since the heavier spring should lock the (SA stock) lugs more consistently.  Our range season is being extended with December daytime temperatures in the mild 40's, a real treat.

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Re: 1911 Recoil Spring Poundage Recomendation

Post by dronning on Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:52 pm

Don't forget you can tweak the mainspring a little too.  I just dropped my new 45's mainspring from 23 to 20 to clear up the occasional failure to lock back on last round with my short line loads.

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Post by kc.crawford.7 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:51 am

Dave, did that completely solve the problem?

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Post by dronning on Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:52 am

kc.crawford.7 wrote:Dave, did that completely solve the problem?

It did on my short test, I shot about a dozen rounds of single loaded mags and it locked back every time.  The gun didn't have many rounds through it and I'd guess it should improve even more after a couple 1,000 rounds of break in.  Which I will do the first week the slide is back!  

  -OT   Just like the 9MM you built for me this 45 is a joy to shoot - they will look like a matched set once the slide racker is installed.  The slide should be there on Friday, at least according to tracking.

Thanks again KC!,

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Post by kc.crawford.7 on Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:57 am

Got your slide yesterday.  I'll get the lever installed and turned around.  Glad to hear you're happy with both of them.

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