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Post by james r chapman on 1/17/2016, 11:40 am

Where are they? I haven't seen any in over a year!
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Post by C.Perkins on 1/17/2016, 11:58 am

James;
Try Black Hills Shooters Supply in Rapid City, SD
800-289-2506

Those Remingtons are tough to get, you have to be quick when someone has them.
I saw them at Midway some time early last year and they were gone within the day I believe.

Good luck

Clarence
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Post by james r chapman on 1/17/2016, 12:14 pm

C.Perkins wrote:James;
Try Black Hills Shooters Supply in Rapid City, SD
800-289-2506

Those Remingtons are tough to get, you have to be quick when someone has them.
I saw them at Midway some time early last year and they were gone within the day I believe.

Good luck

Clarence

Midway, yes, I got 2000, should have ordered 10,000 lol
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Post by Snobal on 1/17/2016, 4:03 pm

After reading a few reviews about how great they group (and how dirty they are), I ordered a few of the Rem 148 Gr. HBWC.

WOW! With unsized cases, they produce the best 25-yard groups I've had in 40 years of reloading for revolvers!!!!

Wish I had bought more......

And yes, they are the most miserable, dirty, nasty bullets to load I've ever had ---- and I don't care!

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Post by Jerry Keefer on 1/17/2016, 4:15 pm

When using 10/15 thousand per year, I washed/soaked them in a bucket of gasoline to clean the coating off..Spread them on a sheet of plywood in the hot sun... Dry and hot in about an hour. Placed them a plastic bucket and squirted hot Liquid Alox on and tumbled them until I had an even coating.. Worked like a champ.. I have recently purchased a new coating that I'll try/test this summer...It's getting rave reviews on the cast bullet forum..
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Post by jglenn21 on 1/17/2016, 6:52 pm

Jerry,

I've had great success with the 45/45/10 formula from the White Label Lube folks but have been meaning to try the Alox/liquid wax formula (Bens liquid lube)..

I mainly use the White label lube for the Zero 38 HBWC and it stopped all my leading issues in my wife's 52


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Post by Jerry Keefer on 1/17/2016, 8:15 pm

Yes.. That's it.. I couldn't remember the 45/45/10 designation.. I haven't tried it yet.
The chamber/throat/leade area has a lot to due with leading. I am in the process now, of making a new 52/10 twist barrel.. I have had a new reamer ground, that will hopefully reduce leading.. We shall see..
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Post by robert84010 on 1/17/2016, 8:25 pm

Are you guys talking about the .358 bullet or the .360 bullet. I have never seen the .360 bullet for sale, only rarely do I catch the .358 bullet. Which one do you guys think is better?

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Post by james r chapman on 1/17/2016, 8:31 pm

For those in need..

or, the experimenting type.

Lubes that your wife/girlfriend won't steal..
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Post by james r chapman on 1/17/2016, 8:33 pm

robert84010 wrote:Are you guys talking about the .358 bullet or the .360 bullet. I have never seen the .360 bullet for sale, only rarely do I catch the .358 bullet. Which one do you guys think is better?

The Remington 148 gr hbwc is .360+ diameter. always has been, best sealing bullet out there.
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Post by noylj on 1/18/2016, 6:52 am

Why would any one spend time and money to remove a lube that works perfectly—and in flammable gasoline? I love LLA, but I find the Rem lube no more trouble to work with than LLA.
I load them all the time and I guess I'm just not that finicky. I don't get a lot of black on my hands and what there is washes right off.
I have certainly worked with a lot worse lubes, ones that did gum-up the seating die.
I did notice that you can remove quite a bit of it and it still doesn't lead the barrel.

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Post by Jerry Keefer on 1/18/2016, 7:58 am

noylj wrote:Why would any one spend time and money to remove a lube that works perfectly—and in flammable gasoline?

Because, over the course of many years, and several 100,000 bullets, the police pistol team discovered we could shrink groups, and cut leading in the barrels, by washing the factory coating off and replacing it with heated Liquid Alox on a hot bullet.  Remington HBWCs hardness tests  at 6.. That's very soft, and will create lead in the barrels.. Measuring the bullet careully, it is shaped like a whiskey barrel.. .360 at the center, tapering to each end..This mitigates the leading to some degree when compared to a bullet like Star which had no taper, was also soft in the range of 8/10 and heavily leaded the barrels .
 Now, the team is no longer, and I have not purchased HBWC 148 Remingtons in the last 10/12 years.. Perhaps, maybe, something in the manufacturing process and or the properties of the bullets has changed, which reduces or eliminates the past issues.. 
Flamable gasoline is the only type available..
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Post by jglenn21 on 1/18/2016, 9:06 am

one thing I have noticed with the 45/45/10 formula is that it dries faster and seems harder to me than just plain old Alox.

Ben's formula is 60% Alox and the remainder Johnson liquid floor wax. ( which also has mineral spirits in it).. I think it's simply easier to make compared to the White label formula, if you are into making you own lubes...

I have some of the old Star 185 swaged 45s and plan on updating them to the White Label formula.. really no reason to put up with leading these days.

this forum has about all the lube formulas you'd ever need.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?58-Boolit-Lube-!&s=&daysprune=



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Post by Jerry Keefer on 1/18/2016, 9:51 am

jglenn21 wrote:one thing I have noticed with the 45/45/10 formula is that it dries faster and seems harder to me than just plain old Alox.

Ben's formula is 60% Alox and the remainder Johnson liquid floor wax. ( which also has mineral spirits in it).. I think it's simply easier to make compared to the White label formula, if you are into making you own lubes...

I have some of the old Star 185 swaged 45s and plan on updating them to the White Label formula.. really no reason to put up with leading these days.

this forum has about all the lube formulas you'd ever need.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?58-Boolit-Lube-!&s=&daysprune=



I recently received a 2 liter container of " Ziebart ".. It was used 40/50 years ago, as a soft, non hardening, spray on vehicle undercoating. Some are claiming it is closely related to ALOX.. I don't know, and make no claim, but when time permits, I will test it.. The smell test indicates it and 45/45/10 are identical..hmmmm
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Post by james r chapman on 1/18/2016, 10:24 am

I'm currently shooting up some old Star 148 gr HBWC's that I rolled in the 45-45-10 lube. So far the revolver barrel looks good.
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Post by Dr.Don on 1/18/2016, 10:35 am

Jerry,
I remember Ziebart.  When I moved to Cleveland for grad school in 1967 it was the cat's meow for auto rust protection.  The Ziebart places would drill holes and spray it inside the doors as well as undercoating the body and frame.  I was there for 4 years and never got any rust, so it worked well for that.....they used lots of road salt up there.  Don't know how it will turn out as a bullet lube.
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Post by Jerry Keefer on 1/18/2016, 10:53 am

I received this from an estate.. The man that passed away had engineer type friends in high places within the gun industry..
So, there may be some merit to it.. The two smell identical..anyway, I now have a bunch of it.. Smile
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Post by Jack H on 1/18/2016, 11:27 am

Has Rooster lube gone out of favor?  Haven't heard a thing about it for a long time.
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Post by Jon Eulette on 1/18/2016, 11:52 am

Didn't rooster lube go out of business?
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Post by Jack H on 1/18/2016, 12:14 pm

Is this the same stuff?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/746916/rooster-jacket-waterproof-bullet-film-lube-and-paper-patch-lube-16-oz
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Post by john bickar on 1/18/2016, 12:47 pm

Jerry Keefer wrote:Flamable gasoline is the only type available..

LOL
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Post by Jon Eulette on 1/18/2016, 1:15 pm

Jack H wrote:Is this the same stuff?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/746916/rooster-jacket-waterproof-bullet-film-lube-and-paper-patch-lube-16-oz
That looks like the same stuff. I have a gallon jug. I think they stopped making it for a while
 My late mentor Bob Brown used this with Lee 200 gr tumble lube bullets. I've seen 7/8" 50 yd groups from a couple different pistols he built with this bullet and lube combination.
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Post by jglenn21 on 1/18/2016, 5:15 pm

the old Rooster lube that came in the tubes is gone.. if memory serves the guy who made it for Rooster retired or ?

any way they don't make the tube lube anymore
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Post by james r chapman on 1/18/2016, 5:56 pm

http://www.roosterlabs.com/products.html
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Post by Vern on 1/24/2016, 3:02 pm

Has anyone tried to run Zero or Star 148 gr HBWC through a .360 sizer to bump them up to .360?

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