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Post by br549 on Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:56 pm

I've only been shooting Bullseye for 6 months and have a few questions about the red dot sights used by experienced shooters.

First a little background information. I am currently using a Tasco Propoint on my Ruger Mk III for rimfire and fixed iron sights on a Kimber 45 Custom II for a wadcutter gun. The Kimber is going into the shop in February for accurazing by a BE gunsmith and I plan to install a red dot when I get it back. My eyes are 66 yrs old but fair. I wear a contact in my dominant eye when I shoot that gets me a clear dot on my tasco and a clear sight on my iron sights (still can't shoot as well as I can see).

I'm looking at the Ultradot but having a hard time deciding which one. I like the thought of the Matchdot with the ability to select 2, 4, 6, or 8 MOA dot size and accessable elevation adjustment but the Matchdot has windage/elevation adjustments of 1 MOA. The other one I'm looking at is the Ultradot FOUR. The FOUR has dot selection of 4, 6, 8, or 16 MOA dot size but windage/elevation adjustments of 1/2 MOA and looks like you have to remove a cover to make windage/elevation changes.

Does anyone have experience with both? I'm open to any discussion on the advantages/disadvantages of the bottom end dot size (2 vs 4 MOA) and the elevation/windage adjustment (1/2 vs 1 MOA).

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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by jakuda on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:41 pm

Personally, I'd recommend getting the 25mm 4moa ultradot and forget about adjustments and dot size.

What some people recommend is getting the Ultradot 4, and using the 4moa setting for the long line, and the 8 or 12 setting for the short line. I think that's fine too.

Lots of people love the 2moa dot capability of the Matchdot. For me, I find the small 2moa dot moves around a lot more than the 4moa and is therefore more distracting to a smooth trigger pull. A 2moa dot is NOT going to give you more 10s over a 4moa dot.

Tube Ultradots are 1/2 MOA even the Matchdot. So you're fine there.


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Post by DavidR on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:37 am

Ive had every style ud sold, and found, the 2 on the match is too small, others too big, i always end up with the standard 4 size, so why pay extra and add extra weight for something i never use. every gun i have has a 1'' dot on it now.
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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by Al on Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:19 pm

Ditto on DavidR's post. Except for my ball & international guns that is.
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Post by Jack H on Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:54 pm

I am sold on the UD 1" 4 dot. I have the option of dot size and brightness to adjust to see the dot the best for many lighting conditions. I trend toward large dot, low intensity. And look at the bull.

I definitely do not favor the larger windows on 30mm tubes.
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Post by Rob Kovach on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:37 pm

I've got a 30mm matchdot and a 1" regular...I really like the 1". The bigger window is a distraction, and I set the dot to be a similar size to what's in the 1" anyway and I never change it.
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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by br549 on Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:03 pm

After reading the responses here I'm planning to go for the 1" tube, which rules out the Matchdot. Now I just need to decide if I want the 4 dot or the straight 4 MOA. I'm leaning toward the 4 dot, which at least gives me the option of going to a larger dot.

I did contact Ultradot West about a conflict between the specification page on their web site and the downloadable instruction manuals concerning windage/elevation adjustments. I was told that there are errors in both. According to them the only 1/2 MOA adjustable sight is the Ultradot 6, which is aimed at rifle folks. This definitely is a conflict with the manuals and what I understand from this thread. Not sure that it makes a difference when I think about it since we are talking about the difference between 1/2" and 1/4" at 50 yds.

I know it won't make any difference considering my limitations.
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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by Chris_D on Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:16 am

For me, I like the adjustable dot size along with the brightness control. I used to be a small dot guy but found that I tried too hard to always get the "perfect" shot. I have the Matchdot II sight on two guns now and more often than not they are set on the big dot. The brightness I adjust according to light conditions within the range. For me it helps to have the adjustment.



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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by Al on Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:06 pm

br549,
I've owned and used the 30mm and 1". I have also tried the match dot. I now am back to only the 1" with the 4 min dot for all 6 pistols.

For Bullseye pistol the 30 mm gave me no improvements or advantages, it was just more difficult finding a set of 30mm rings that would keep the dot nice and low to the slide.
When I tried the match dot (belonged to another BE shooter) I just wasn't pleased with it and shot better with my 1".

I have also tried a 2 min dot and found it to be far too small for my taste. If they made a straight 6 min dot I would prefer that, but until they do the 4 min dots work just fine.
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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by Ira Latimer on Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:11 pm

Over the years I've owned and used about every sight with a red dot, including the early Aimpoint Mark II, Mark III, 1000, and 2000, as well as Tasco ProPoints and Ultradots 1/2 inch, 30 mm, and Four dot. After all this I settled on the basic UD with 1/2 inch tube. Easier to line up and recover and the 4 mm dot is right for me (no matter what you use, you still need to center the dot in the tube). After saying all this, I guess you have to use what works for you with the least problems.

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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by Founder on Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:10 pm

Aimpoint Micro R1 or H1. If you can afford it!

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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by Ira Latimer on Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:42 pm

Correction to my last post on this topic (age affects your mind as well as your shooting!). I settled on the ONE INCH UltraDot after using all the others.

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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by br549 on Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:13 pm

Made my final decision and decided to go with the Ultradot Four. The logic for the 1" tube over the 30mm seems solid and since the Matchdot has the 30mm I went with the Four. If I end up staying on the 4MOA dot all the time and like the Ultradot over the ProPoint I now have on my Ruger Mk III guess I'll have to order one of the basic Ultradots for the Mk III. If I like a larger dot guess I'll have to order another Ultradot Four.

BTW if anyone wants one of the new Matchdots, Ultradot West has them in stock now but only 12 not spoken for already.

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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by jakuda on Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:15 pm

Interesting with the new Matchdot.
I wonder if new reticle options will gain traction.
The elevation knob (doesn't require a screwdriver or a penny to turn now) seems pretty handy. For about ~$20 more.

I do wish they would offer a 1" tube version, but ah well.

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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by br549 on Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:28 pm

I really couldn't see any advantage to the new reticles. The new reticles look similar to what I have on my AR-15 mounted EOTech and it is nice for rapid target acquisition but didn't think it would be any advantage for Bullseye. I did like the external elevation adjustment but opted for the 1" tube vs the adjustment.
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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by Rob Kovach on Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:06 pm

I was using a reticle type red dot on my 1911 for awhile. It works. It's accurate. But you really have to have a very consistant grip and wrist position to make sure you don't lose the dot. You dont have the tube to help you get close. Most of the reticles don't have click type windage and elevation. I'm using ultradots on both of my match guns now.
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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by br549 on Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:53 am

I continuously work on grip, position, sight picture, follow through, etc. My biggest problem is a tremor that seems to accompany being born during WWII. Something that runs in the family. Good thing I don't have to maintain a high score to continue shooting.

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Re: Ultradot Questions from New Shooter

Post by Rob Kovach on Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:51 pm

I'm only 38 and I get tremors also. It seems to depend on if I had a rough day at work, and if I had eaten enough that day.
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