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CZ for Bullseye?

Post by TPugh on Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:31 am

I was thinking about a CZ Tactical sport for BE. I don't see CZ used much for BE. Typically for USPSA or the ilk. Anybody have any opinions? What kind of accuracy can a person get out of a CZ?

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Re: CZ for Bullseye?

Post by Saladman on Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:35 pm

You could reasonably expect 3 inch groups at 50 yards if it's particularly tight.  If it's not you can buy the Cajun Gunworks 10-x bushing and shrink your group down ?? inches less than it was for very little money.

You can also send the gun off to CZ custom to have them install a 1911 style bushing setup.  That's not particularly cheap but it's not a bad option.  Additionally the 1:9.7 twist barrel should be able to give you lots of slow speed stability for really low recoil rounds.

There are three potential problems with using the Tactical Sports:

1. For CMP matches you'll need to somehow add weight to the trigger
2. Also for CMP the gun is not listed as "approved" but if you're not shooting CMP who cares?   Laughing
2. The frame is not a standard 75 frame so parts commonality (including magazines) will be less.  

I've also been mulling over buying one or buying a SP-01 and milling a custom slide for it just because I can.

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Re: CZ for Bullseye?

Post by TPugh on Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:27 am

@ Saladman...thanks for the input.  I like the feel of the 75 in hand.  I guess maybe I'll give czcustom a call.

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Re: CZ for Bullseye?

Post by Rob Kovach on Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:03 pm

There is a user, Joe L who was shooting CZ for bullseye ... use the search function or just look at all of Joe L's posts.

here's one of my favorite:
http://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2655-tested-my-cz-p-09-9mm-centerfire-pistol-at-100-yards-on-thursday-and-at-200-today

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Re: CZ for Bullseye?

Post by rfmiller on Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:14 am

If you are really interested in shooting a CZ in bullseye, might try looking at Cajun Gun Works (https://cajungunworks.com/).  They can fix you up with a 97 that will compete with a 1911 .45

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Re: CZ for Bullseye?

Post by Jon Eulette on Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:06 am

I used to build CZ pistols for IPSC crowd back in the early 90's. I've built Limited to full blown race guns. The CZ has flaws in the design that do not make it gunsmith friendly or accuracy friendly like the 1911 platform. Granted there are a lot more parts available now to aid in customizing the pistol, but the inherent design is not capable of producing "match" accuracy that any high master would be willing to compete with. Yes I'm sure there are some out there that might shoot pretty good, but as a whole in my opinion the design isn't worthy of fighting with to make it into a BE match capable pistol. I do love the grip Smile
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Re: CZ for Bullseye?

Post by Saladman on Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:39 pm

I'm curious as to the flaws you are referencing as the pistol is based on two others one of which is the venerable P210 which is legendary for its accuracy.  Additionally if you compare the CZ offerings to other factory pistols it tends to be much more accurate - that being said I understand out of the box accuracy is not an indication of its absolute capabilities.  Smile

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Re: CZ for Bullseye?

Post by Jon Eulette on Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:29 pm

My experience obviously was many years ago. I found it difficult to get upper barrel lugs to make enough contact alone (no barrel hood) to prevent rotation of barrel. On 1911 hood in unison with upper lugs prevents barrel rotation when in battery. CZ relies solely on slide stop pin. Sear cage needed welded and fit to frame because it was loose. Inconsistent trigger pull. Trigger had side to side play which affected consistent trigger pull. I was making cones for locking up barrel. Nice to see they offer a bushing now. Frame to slide fit was tightened by welding slide rails. I can build a 1911 platform pistol with less effort and achieve exceptional accuracy. I also believe I can do it cheaper with 1911 than a CZ. I think the CZ has its place, but not as a BE pistol.
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Re: CZ for Bullseye?

Post by Joe L on Sat May 28, 2016 10:01 pm

I know this post is old, but I thought I would respond, since there is a link to the videos of the P-09 above.  I shot a 9mm P-09 for the 2014 bullseye season and did very well with it, at our local small matches.   The P series and the CZ-97 use a different lock up design than the 75 series guns and are better out of the box than the 75, for the reasons Jon Eulette stated above. 

For the 2015 season, I used a 97 in .45 ACP.  It is a large, heavy gun, and tight.  I wanted to shoot a heavy .45 after a season with the light 9mm.  That worked out very well and is the gun I normally shoot now in our local matches.  I converted it to single action only and it has a fitted barrel bushing, and that's it, other than a red dot.  Seems to be holding up well but I've only had it a little over a year. 

Today, I shot our monthly match with a 3.8" barrel P-07 carry gun.  This is a P-09 Lite, in my opinion, a carry gun with a (temporary) red dot in place, borrowed from a 75B 9mm slide.  Mechanically excellent, but too light for a bullseye gun.  I was down 3-5 points per target compared to what I normally shoot with the .45, but not nearly as bad as most people thought I would shoot.    

So, for a 9mm bullseye gun, there are heavier and better designs available than a CZ, but in a .45, a 97 seems to be a workable choice, especially if you want to shoot something a little different than a traditional 1911.   But a 97 is a large gun, not a good choice for medium or small hands. 

I shoot a 75B frame with a CZ Kadet 22 conversion in rimfire.  I had high score today in our small holiday weekend match in both rimfire and centerfire matches, so no complaints here about the CZ's, even the plastic ones. 

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