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Post by dstates on 6/28/2016, 9:31 pm

So I know I'm getting a late start, but I'm starting to load up my Camp Perry ammo. I just got in some brand new Starline 45 ACP cases so I am loading those for at least my long line rounds. However, when the primed case goes up into the powder through expanding die it has more resistance than normal and then the resistance is very high when I raise the lever back up to remove the case from that die. I don't have anywhere near this resistance level when loading my older Starline brass. Any suggestions as to what is going on???

I'm using a Lee Classic Turret Press with Lee dies.

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Post by jglenn21 on 6/28/2016, 9:45 pm

not unusual with new brass.. especially sticking on the expander die..

you can try some spray lube but I prefer to simply polish the brass in my tumbler with a  cap full of Nu-Finish added.. this polish along with a bit of dust from the corn cobs will fix the issue. this is also the reason your older brass having been tumbled doesn't do it
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Post by jmdavis on 6/28/2016, 10:05 pm

Lube them.
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Post by Sc0 on 6/28/2016, 10:41 pm

Noticed the same when loading new starline brass for .38spl, .357, and .38sc.  The noticeable hangup was on the powder through expander, once the brass residue was wiped off, periodically, the press smoothed up considerably.  Guessing a tiny bit of roughness is on the inside of the case mouths causing the expander to smooth it out.

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Post by james r chapman on 6/29/2016, 4:42 am

jglenn21 wrote:not unusual with new brass.. especially sticking on the expander die..

you can try some spray lube but I prefer to simply polish the brass in my tumbler with a  cap full of Nu-Finish added.. this polish along with a bit of dust from the corn cobs will fix the issue. this is also the reason your older brass having been tumbled doesn't do it

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Post by dstates on 6/29/2016, 6:44 am

Thanks, guys. This is only my second order of new brass. I don't remember it being this tough with the first, but that was a couple years ago. I'll tumble them today and hopefully load more. 

See you at Perry. 
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Post by BE Mike on 6/29/2016, 8:50 am

dstates wrote:Thanks, guys. This is only my second order of new brass. I don't remember it being this tough with the first, but that was a couple years ago. I'll tumble them today and hopefully load more. 

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Post by DavidR on 6/29/2016, 11:04 am

hornady spray case lube, stand them up and spray a few hundred at a time, dries in a minute and loads like butter.
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Post by SNaymola on 6/29/2016, 11:34 am

Does all this extra lubing affect the crimp tension we try so hard to put on the bullet at the end of the loading process. Or does the case expand before the bullet has time to travel so no affect?

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Post by Sa-tevp on 6/29/2016, 12:10 pm

DavidR wrote:hornady spray case lube, stand them up and spray a few hundred at a time, dries in a minute and loads like butter.

How long does the application of Hornady One Shot case lube stay usable?  Can it be applied after cleaning brass and before the brass is stored, or is it best applied just before loading?

The Hornady case lube makes it a lot easier to have a good smooth uninterrupted loading session.
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Post by w4ti on 6/29/2016, 12:34 pm

I've lubed more brass than I was going to load in a session before using One Shot, and it may have been a month before I got back to them. Still went through the press without issue.

I don't tumble or clean them after loading- never had any problem with that approach.

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Post by DavidR on 6/30/2016, 11:12 am

Sa-tevp wrote:
DavidR wrote:hornady spray case lube, stand them up and spray a few hundred at a time, dries in a minute and loads like butter.

How long does the application of Hornady One Shot case lube stay usable?  Can it be applied after cleaning brass and before the brass is stored, or is it best applied just before loading?

The Hornady case lube makes it a lot easier to have a good smooth uninterrupted loading session.
Once you spray it your good, ive had some in a sealed plastic box done a year ago that still works like I did them yesterday.
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Post by sixftunda on 7/5/2016, 9:37 pm

I spray the inside of a gallon zip lock bag with lube.  Dump casings in the bag and shake them up for a bit them dump them in the case feeder
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Post by Rob Kovach on 7/7/2016, 2:34 pm

DON'T USE TOO MUCH SPRAY LUBE!!!

I made some duds that way....you don't need duds at Perry!!!
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Post by DavidR on 7/7/2016, 2:36 pm

Rob Kovach wrote:DON'T USE TOO MUCH SPRAY LUBE!!!

I made some duds that way....you don't need duds at Perry!!!
What were you using, never had any issues using hornady case spray lube
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Post by Chris Miceli on 7/7/2016, 3:02 pm

I used some Dillon spray lube once and had to pull the bullet. A lot of powder has stuck to the sidewall
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Post by DavidR on 7/8/2016, 9:27 am

Christopher Miceli wrote:I used some Dillon spray lube once and had to pull the bullet. A lot of powder has stuck to the sidewall
those type case lubes are for rifle mostly, buy the hornady and forget the rest, it will not cause primer failure, it says so right on the can.
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