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Post by Vociferous on 7/30/2016, 7:11 am

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Post by Wile E Coyote on 7/30/2016, 8:55 am

Doesn't the main page say "No Politics" in this forum?

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Post by Ghillieman on 7/30/2016, 9:31 am

Politics that negatively affect bullseye pistol is a concern to this page.
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Post by Wile E Coyote on 7/30/2016, 10:55 am

Nothing on the page referred affects bullseye...therefore by your standard, the post should have not been made.

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Post by Tim:H11 on 7/30/2016, 11:06 am

Oh boy...
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Post by jglenn21 on 7/30/2016, 11:13 am

if it affect general gunsmithing it affect us..

heck it covers chambering....something most any smith does

and it does not specify the smith doing it for export....
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Post by Jerry Keefer on 7/30/2016, 12:32 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:Nothing on the page referred affects bullseye...therefore by your standard, the post should have not been made.

Where do you get your bullseye guns..??
I have been commenting on this fiasco on other forums since it was revealed.. I have called and talked to those who are near the top of the food chain.. This is serious.. I and many gunsmiths like me are done.. I will not pay 2500 dollars yearly plus all the other taxes, fees, insurances, etc that are required of a business..In VA, every machine, lathe, mill, surface grinder, welders, torch sets, blast cabinet, all tools and  fixtures are TAXED YEARLY...  if any one thinks gunsmithing is a mega dollar get rich business, you are delusional.
99.9% of all bullseye smiths, just love the game, and hope to balance the books at years end.   If you read the language, syntax, describing the machining, drilling, milling processes effected, it is very obvious it was written by someone  who who wouldn't know a ball peen hammer from a Tschorn 3-D tester..
"Manufacturing"... Basic definition is quite simple.. ...but I have been subjected to the many various interpretations since 1986... This one word, has been bent, twisted, distorted and manipulated into every possible configuration to make it tough and tougher on the basic gunsmitih.  First we needed an 07 license.. NOW we need ITAR registration..WHY is the Defense Dept. looking at the lowly gunsmith..???
This is a super  blatant government over reach with an agenda to destroy small businesses, and to further constrict and eventually eliminate firearms..   I and some others believe this is very flawed and will not stand up in Federal Court.. Who wants to be the first test case..????
No one..??
That's what I thought..
Keep worrying about forum etiquette..
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Post by dronning on 7/30/2016, 12:34 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:Nothing on the page referred affects bullseye...therefore by your standard, the post should have not been made.

Almost EVERY bullseye gun that has been worked on fit under the vague definitions.

According to the presidential directive, firearm modifications that do not require “drilling, cutting, or machining” are not affected by the new rules.  But that means any drilling or cutting is covered.

This one bullet point pretty much covers EVERY mod ever made to a bullseye gun.

  • Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms;

"Improve the capability" cuts a pretty wide swath.  Any mod by a gunsmith could be seen as "improving the capability" of the firearm.

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Post by Ghillieman on 7/30/2016, 5:46 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:Nothing on the page referred affects bullseye...therefore by your standard, the post should have not been made.
Really....
Where would bullseye pistol be with out gunsmiths custom building our pistols? Or tightening up loose guns?
You can't honestly tell me you think this legislation is a good thing...
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Post by Vociferous on 7/30/2016, 6:49 pm

Examples of included gunsmithing activities include:

  • Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms;
  • Modifications to a firearm that change round capacity;
  • The production of firearm parts (including, but not limited to, barrels, stocks, cylinders, breech mechanisms, triggers, silencers, or suppressors);
  • The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or reloading of ammunition;
  • The machining or cutting of firearms, e.g., threading of muzzles or muzzle brake installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capability;
  • Rechambering firearms through machining, cutting, or drilling;
  • Chambering, cutting, or threading barrel blanks; and
  • Blueprinting firearms by machining the barrel.
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Post by KB2MBC on 7/30/2016, 11:34 pm

Ghillieman wrote:
Wile E Coyote wrote:Nothing on the page referred affects bullseye...therefore by your standard, the post should have not been made.
Really....
Where would bullseye pistol be with out gunsmiths custom building our pistols? Or tightening up loose guns?
You can't honestly tell me you think this legislation is a good thing...
This wasn't done through the legislative process, it was done by decree.

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Post by Ghillieman on 7/31/2016, 12:47 am

KB2MBC wrote:
Ghillieman wrote:
Wile E Coyote wrote:Nothing on the page referred affects bullseye...therefore by your standard, the post should have not been made.
Really....
Where would bullseye pistol be with out gunsmiths custom building our pistols? Or tightening up loose guns?
You can't honestly tell me you think this legislation is a good thing...
This wasn't done through the legislative process, it was done by decree.
Ok.... Thanks for pointing that out......
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Post by Bigtrout on 7/31/2016, 12:30 pm

I do not get into gun politics in forums or the web except private emails to family.  This time I cannot keep quiet after reading Jerry's thread.  I think Mr. Obama's administration has gone too far on this issue because it creates undue hardships on the gunsmith and does nothing to reduce our country's mass shootings or violent crime.  Thanks for the insight, Jerry.
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Post by rebs on 7/31/2016, 1:06 pm

I was under the impression that the President cannot make or pass any laws. If that is right then what exactly does an executive action do ?

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Post by Wobbley on 7/31/2016, 4:47 pm

It is supposed to be limited to adjustments to policies created under existing law.  Here it seems to be extending State Dept ITAR requirements to anyone involved in the firearms maintenance field whether they export or not.

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Post by james r chapman on 7/31/2016, 6:44 pm

As we all learn how dangerous the POTUS power can be.
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Post by jmdavis on 7/31/2016, 6:57 pm

james r chapman wrote:As we all learn how dangerous the POTUS power can be.
Yep, he can order that laws not be enforced and create new laws via fiat.
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Post by inthebeech on 8/1/2016, 5:46 am

Rebs is right.  The EO is defined as a measure that is simply purposed for enabling or aiding an existing law - not for making entirely new ones.  Because our Pres doesn't know how to lead and therefore can't get anything done through the Legislative branch, he has done little else but shatter the previously held record for most EO's in a presidency - a measure usually exercised maybe a dozen times.  Look up how many EO's this guy's passed.
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Post by dronning on 8/1/2016, 8:37 am

inthebeech wrote:Rebs is right.  The EO is defined as a measure that is simply purposed for enabling or aiding an existing law - not for making entirely new ones.  Because our Pres doesn't know how to lead and therefore can't get anything done through the Legislative branch, he has done little else but shatter the previously held record for most EO's in a presidency - a measure usually exercised maybe a dozen times.  Look up how many EO's this guy's passed.

EO's are often used to skirt the law (by making laws) and only 3 have ever been struck down by the courts.

No way in h*** am I defending Osama but Bush 291 and Osama 195 (so far).

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The winner is FDR with 3,522

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Post by inthebeech on 8/2/2016, 4:33 am

...add in Executive Memoranda, which carry the same authority and Obama is way out in front.  I should have clarified.  didn't know anyone would fact-check me.
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Post by dronning on 8/2/2016, 8:36 am

inthebeech wrote:...add in Executive Memoranda, which carry the same authority and Obama is way out in front.  I should have clarified.  didn't know anyone would fact-check me.


Wasn't fact checking - just curious. 

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Post by jglenn21 on 8/13/2016, 9:35 pm

Petition to remove gunsmithing from ITAR.



https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/remove-gunsmithing-itar


sign it.
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Post by Colt711 on 8/23/2016, 12:03 am

We have avoided the discussion of politics however in this case we would be foolish not too. Somehow this MUST be rescinded or reversed. Jerry Keefer explained why above.

If the EO stands we will be left w/little to do but discuss.

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Post by jmdavis on 8/23/2016, 12:18 am

Don't worry, they are trying to ITAR gun discussions as well. 1984 arrived, it was just 32 years later than we feared.
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Post by BE Mike on 8/23/2016, 7:29 am

jglenn21 wrote:Petition to remove gunsmithing from ITAR.



https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/remove-gunsmithing-itar


sign it.
No offense, but that looks like a petition directed towards the emperor in the beltway. I would think a lawsuit might be a better tool. Exactly what authority does the State Department have to levy a tax?
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