148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

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148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by rebs on Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:45 pm

Which of these wad cutters do most of you guys use to reload  your 38's and 357's ? In what way is one any better than the other ? Is one any more accurate then the other ?

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Re: 148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by dronning on Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:56 pm

HBWC by far is more accurate for me in both S&W 14-4 & 586.  But then not all HBWC are created equal either.
I use Remington & Precision Delta, there are others people swear by too.

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Post by Jon Eulette on Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:57 pm

HBWC seem to shoot better with minimal load work up than solids. I think part of it is that a lot of custom 1911 barrels run tight and aren't very forgiving with solid if oversized.
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Re: 148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by tonyg on Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:18 pm

rebs wrote:Which of these wad cutters do most of you guys use to reload  your 38's and 357's ? In what way is one any better than the other ? Is one any more accurate then the other ?

Hi, I've used both types, I've found H&G #150 bullets to be just as accurate at 50 yds  as either the HBWC or DEWC bullets. I loaded

for my Dad's Colt Trooper mkIV that he used for the Center fire phase of his 2700 match shooting(decades ago).

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Re: 148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by rebs on Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:53 pm

what is an H&G #150 bullet ?

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Post by AllAces on Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:04 pm

I have Ransom Rest tested Zero 148 gr HBWC's and Penn Bullets 148 gr DEWC's in my M52 and could not get the DEWC's to group as well as the HBWC's.  I tried numerous different loads of Bullseye with the DEWC's, but could not get groups that would hold the 10-ring.  All of the bullseye shooters I know that shoot the M52 for center fire are loading HBWC's.

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Re: 148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by james r chapman on Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:03 pm

generally the HBWC's seem to perform better, maybe a little longer, maybe more obturation ... also, Zero/Magnus work well.

several threads on re-lubing all for performance.
search is your friend

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Post by C.Perkins on Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:38 pm

My pistol likes the Remingtons the best but also load the Speer and Hornady's.
Load all of them the same using dies that seat the shoulder and same 2.8 gr of B.E.
The Remingtons have more felt recoil, not sure why but could be the length and obturation.

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Post by noylj on Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:43 pm

I could NEVER get decent accuracy with anything BUT a HBWC.
There is one caution about HBWCs--don't exceed about 800 fps. The skirt can, and will, separate from the rest of the bullet and you'll have two holes in the target or a barrel obstruction.
This is over the optimum speed for accuracy, so it shouldn't be an issue, but...

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Re: 148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by jglenn21 on Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:47 pm

TonyG probably meant #50  a very popular wadcutter style from H&G

the #150 is a 30 caliber bullet


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Re: 148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by tonyg on Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:21 pm

rebs wrote:what is an H&G #150 bullet ?


Hi Rebs, Jglenn is correct, I meant to type H&G mold #50.  Here's a picture:

http://www.hensleygibbs.com/molds/50.jpg

I get mine from Dardas, sized .358" 

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Re: 148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by james r chapman on Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:55 pm

A very popular accurate bullet back in the day. Search for old-timer loads

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Post by jglenn21 on Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:13 am

think I still have an old H&G 4 cavity #50 mold.. my dad shot a ton of them in his revolvers back in the day...

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Re: 148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by BE Mike on Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:38 pm

Just don't use the button nosed wadcutter in a S&W model 52. For everything else, you'd be good to go with that design.

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Re: 148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by C.Perkins on Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:44 pm

How much longer is the button on an H&G #50 from the shoulder ?
The Remington 148gr HBWC button is .020" proud of the shoulder.

Could dedicate some brass just for that bullet.
Maybe I will try a box of 50 from Dardas, if they do not pan out, will load them into the M14-4.

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Re: 148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by jglenn21 on Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:59 pm

about .050 or so

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Re: 148 gr HBWC or double ended solid wad cutter ?

Post by james r chapman on Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:46 pm

http://www.hensleygibbs.com/casting/noteson50.htm


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