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Post by rebs on Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:11 pm

I bought a new 1 lb can of WST and when I opened it I found it was almost full all the way to the top, is this normal ?
My other powders were not that full.

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Post by james r chapman on Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:16 pm

Did it weigh 16oz.

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Post by rebs on Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:43 pm

I don't have an accurate scale to weigh 1 lb.

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Post by Bubba Blaster on Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:56 pm

Yes it's normal. Real fluffy powder. Twice the volume of Titegroup.

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Post by rebs on Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:03 pm

Thank you Bubba, I appreciate the reply. Just found it surprising that the powder was so close to the top of the jug, unlike the other powders I use.  Kind of made me nervous. lol

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Post by rich.tullo on Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:45 am

Do not be nervous, 4.1-4.2 gn under a 200 lswc and you will be very happy.

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Post by rebs on Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:46 am

will 4.0 or 4.1 cycle a glock 21 and glock 30 ?

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Post by LenV on Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:12 am

What's a Glock?

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Post by AllAces on Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:24 am

LenV wrote:What's a Glock?
It's what you thwow at a wabbit.

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Post by weber1b on Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:43 am

LenV wrote:What's a Glock?
Tactical Tupperware

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Post by AllAces on Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:46 am


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Post by LenV on Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:00 pm

Serious answer, The minimum load for WST with a 200 gr JHP is 4.6 gr. In a pistol like the Glock I would never go below the listed minimum. Also Glocks and lead bullets are a NO NO. The recommendation above was for a 200 gr bullet and a Lead SWC. Since you had not previously mentioned Glock that was a great choice for a BE pistol but a bad choice for the Glock. YMMV

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Post by noylj on Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:29 pm

All my manuals have start loads—none of them list minimum loads.
So far in my pistols, WST has been a disappointment.

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Post by james r chapman on Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:52 pm

WST has been in use for such a long time there are established loads for almost every target load configuration...


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Post by rebs on Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:39 pm

My Glock 21 and 30 are my carry and plinking guns although they are both very accurate. I have storm lake barrels for shooting lead in my glocks. I ended up with the Glocks since my son is in law enforcement and the discounted price was right. My target gun is a Colt series 70 Gold Cup. I am just looking to find out if my target loads will cycle them do if I have to load heavier. 4.1 of bullseye with a 200 gr lswc bullet cycles them both.

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Post by Wobbley on Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:17 pm

Load WST to the same velocity as your 4.1 / 200 load.  Should cycle fine.

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Post by Jon Eulette on Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:38 pm

Treat your Glock like a 1911 !!!
Get another lighter recoil spring for it when shooting lighter loads. Thats what I did.
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Post by orpheoet on Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:39 pm

I love WST. I use it in 9mm, .38 Special, and .45 ACP. I can't speak on the subject of Glocks.....

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Post by rebs on Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:03 am

Jon Eulette wrote:Treat your Glock like a 1911 !!!
Get another lighter recoil spring for it when shooting lighter loads. Thats what I did.
Jon
Jon, what lb spring do you recommend for my Glock 21 ?

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Post by Jon Eulette on Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:16 am

I believe factory spring is 17#.
Making a guess for lighter loads I'd try starting with a 13# spring if they make one. When I did my wife's G19 I used 15# and cut 2 coils off. It is 100% reliable and has less felt recoil with factory ammunition.
You have to use your own judgement though. Too light will batter frame/parts/etc. So you don't want too light. Springs are cheap, if you go too light you'll know how long to cut the new one. I know some people don't believe in cutting springs. I was taught to and don't hesitate to when necessary. When you consider a springs job what difference does it really make? 
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Post by rebs on Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:35 am

Jon, Thank you for the help. I am going to the range this morning and will see if it cycles with the stock spring. I know it does with 4.1 of bullseye

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Post by rich.tullo on Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:49 am

orpheoet wrote:I love WST. I use it in 9mm, .38 Special, and .45 ACP. I can't speak on the subject of Glocks.....
There is a reason why there are no loads for 9mm published by Winchester. 

WST is temperature sensitive thus can spike. In a high-pressure case spikes consideration. 

I have loaded WST for 9. With jacketed bullets, anything under 4.2 should be ok. I started to see pressure signs at 4.5 and would not exceed 5.0. 

Out of a STI Trojan I fund BE better than WST.

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Post by orpheoet on Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:24 am

rich.tullo wrote:
orpheoet wrote:I love WST. I use it in 9mm, .38 Special, and .45 ACP. I can't speak on the subject of Glocks.....
There is a reason why there are no loads for 9mm published by Winchester. 

WST is temperature sensitive thus can spike. In a high-pressure case spikes consideration. 

I have loaded WST for 9. With jacketed bullets, anything under 4.2 should be ok. I started to see pressure signs at 4.5 and would not exceed 5.0. 

Out of a STI Trojan I fund BE better than WST.
Thanks, I use 4gr with the Dardas lswc. It's for USPSA, works great, no pressure signs. I do have a bit of Bullseye to use up. I'll give it a try!

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Post by john bickar on Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:00 am

Jon Eulette wrote:Springs are cheap, if you go too light you'll know how long to cut the new one. I know some people don't believe in cutting springs. I was taught to and don't hesitate to when necessary. When you consider a springs job what difference does it really make? 
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Post by rebs on Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:34 am

I went to the range this morning and 4.1 of WST did cycle my Glock 21
I had my NRA targets stored in my garage sine we went to Tennessee and I am guessing they absorbed some moisture. The 200 gr lswc bullets tor big holes in them instead of the nice round holes.
The WST was cleaner than bulloseye and when I finish the bullseye I have I will be loading all WST for 45 acp and 38 148 gr hbwc's.

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