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High Standard Supermatic .22 short

Post by PBalkan on 9/16/2016, 3:26 pm

I have an opportunity to buy a High Standard Supermatic in .22 short.  Just one magazine, no box or other accessories.  Condition is virtually new looking except for a touch of blue wear right at the end of the compensated barrel.  

I'm hesitant.  it's not a cheap gun.  

I've also struggled with High Standards, especially when it came to finding magazines that worked. 

I still have nearly a full case of Fiocchi Golden Match ammo in .22 short.  It's probably the lowest power .22 short that I've ever found.  Does anyone have an idea whether it will cycle the High Standard?  I believe the High Standard had an aluminum slide to lighten it but I don't know if it will cycle a REALLY light round. 

Does anyone have any experience with this pistol or any comments they'd offer in my decision making.  I'm looking at $750-800 to buy it.

I've seen it but I don't have any photos.  Sorry.

Thanks,

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Re: High Standard Supermatic .22 short

Post by Jon Eulette on 9/16/2016, 3:29 pm

I'm not familia with using short ammo in the HS. But to my knowledge all HS slides are steel. It's possible you might need to shorten mainspring a coil if it doesn't cycle your ammo.
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Re: High Standard Supermatic .22 short

Post by PBalkan on 9/16/2016, 3:51 pm

I didn't get enough opportunity to examine the slide.  I do know that some High Standards had Aluminum slides and that's what I was told.  I found this web-page that seems to confirm that.

https://bluebookofgunvalues.com/Gun_Values/Gun_Manufacturer_Models.aspx?id=HIGH_STANDARD_PISTOLS_SEMI_AUTO_LEVER_LETTER_SERIES

(Scroll down to the Olympic G-O)

Some ads describe this pistol as having an "alloy" slide... whatever that actually means.

I do have an old Walther Olympia in .22 short.  It has an aluminum slide (I'm certain) and that was a common way to lighten the slide back then (1936).  Off the topic, I have one magazine for it and I've never been able to find another... in the US or Germany.

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Re: High Standard Supermatic .22 short

Post by Rob Kovach on 9/16/2016, 4:11 pm

If you are buying it as a collector piece, that's great. I wouldn't buy one of those to use as a shooter. I've not had ANY luck with Hi-Standards in .22 short shooting tight groups, even at 50 feet.
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Re: High Standard Supermatic .22 short

Post by Jack H on 9/16/2016, 8:34 pm

Forty some years ago, I used short HS in Gallery a lot.  Short shooter High Standards do have aluminum slides.  Rather soft alloy BTW.  Real high mileage guns will have mushrooming at the breech, slide stop, extractor, where the hammer hits the firing pin and probably a dimple in the slide face where the rim ride up.  And maybe the firing pin hole will be worn larger.  Short guns are generally not as accurate as long rifle models, especially compensated ones. 

But they are fun to shoot.  I still have only a Military Citation short kit with 4 five round mags, and about a case of CCI Target shorts.  Probably never will use shorts again.
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Re: High Standard Supermatic .22 short

Post by Wobbley on 9/16/2016, 11:08 pm

If you shoot a lot indoors it might be a good training tool or indoor league gun.  Otherwise it's too specialized to get much value.  I'm not even sure the Olympic shooters shooters still shoot shorts in the rapid fire events.

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Re: High Standard Supermatic .22 short

Post by Jack H on 9/17/2016, 12:37 am

International Rapid Fire Pistol now requires Long Rifle cartridges.  I see a lot of Pardini pistols used now in Olympics. 

I just looked at NRA rules
3.4 .22 Caliber Pistol or Revolver - Any pistol (single shot
or semi-automatic) or revolver chambered for .22 caliber rim-fire long rifle may be used;...

And CMP
The pistol must be chambered for the .22 cal. rimfire long rifle cartridge.
.22 Rimfire Pistol. Rimfire Pistol competitors may use only .22 cal.
rimfire long rifle ammunition with bullets weighing not more than 40
grains.

Not much use for shorts anymore, except for boxers and briefs.
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Re: High Standard Supermatic .22 short

Post by BE Mike on 9/17/2016, 7:41 am

Good responses about the dedicated .22 short Hi Standard pistols. Another thing to consider is that, in general, target .22 short ammo isn't easy to find and I suspect it will be harder now that it isn't used in international matches any longer.
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Re: High Standard Supermatic .22 short

Post by s1120 on 9/18/2016, 9:17 am

As was said the slide for the shorts was alloy. Not much use for them, but they are fun to shoot. I have a short setup for my old 103, and its fun to play with. Finding ammo is tough, but I have a ton of old stock I use. Its tough finding mags also. If you do they are costly. As far as grouping...  Im not one to ask...  in my hands it groups the same as my 22LR setup..  Really unless your a collector, or just want something different, id pass.

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Post by L Valdez on 9/19/2016, 9:35 pm

Extensive testing shooting several .22 short pistols in the 1960's was done, with the results published in Gun Digest. The .22 shorts did not shoot as good as .22 long rifle.

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Re: High Standard Supermatic .22 short

Post by 243winxb on 9/20/2016, 6:08 pm

Had the top of the aluminum slide milled off on the old 22 short kit i sold. Used it for ISU rapid fire back in the old days.  I would not buy another 22 short.

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