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Post by orpheoet on Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:01 am

I was able to get to the range yesterday briefly. I have a few questions. The pistol is 1 hole accurate at 50 ft so thats positive! I have no idea what the weight of the recoil spring in the pistol is but the brass was falling directly out of the gun. I put an 11 pound spring in it and that didn't even get the brass out of the chamber! 
Whats a good recoil spring for these? I use 2.7 WST
The trigger is pretty nice, a touch over 2.5 lbs; but has a lot of takeup. Whats my solution there, or is there one. The reset is nice and crisp as is the break of the trigger. It just feels sloppy getting to the first shot.....

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by cdrt on Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:11 am

I use a 7 lb. spring in my Clark .38 Special Heavy Slide but I'm shooting 2.7 grains of Bullseye.  If this is a Colt Gold Cup .38 Special, you might try a 9 lb. spring.
Sounds like you may need a new sear spring if the one in there won't adjust to a heavier trigger pull.  The steel in them does get tired and they will go back to where they are "comfortable" as they get older.

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by orpheoet on Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:58 am

Its a Colt .38 Super converted to wadcutter. Cdrt, what springs go in the .38 wadcutter magazines?

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Post by cdrt on Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:01 am

They are a one-of-a-kind spring.  I talked to Alan at Interarms and he said he would put them on as a separate item since they are using the old Colt tooling to make new mags.  You might send him an email and jog his memory since I have not seen them listed as of yet.

I mis-read your post on the take-up being sloppy and I had a senior moment about what the trigger pull weight is supposed to be on a Center-fire pistol.  2.5 is okay.  You might want to look at replacing the trigger with one that can be more adjusted for travel.

If you are able, how about posting a photo of the pistol, so I can get a better idea of what you have.

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by jglenn21 on Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:17 am

Alan has the spring for sale on eBay




http://www.ebay.com/itm/Colt-Gold-Cup-Replacement-Magazine-Spring-38-Special-New-/112141241588?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276


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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by orpheoet on Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:31 am

This is it. Serial # says its a 1965 Colt Super .38 that was converted to wadcutter at some point by someone....

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by Christopher Miceli on Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:35 am

I emailed inter arms about a colt 38wc mag...he informed me they had the triple K.  Do you have some pull to get factory colts?

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Post by Jon Eulette on Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:42 am

Take up is non adjustable on most triggers. The trigger bow has to be modified by adding material (Jerry welds a small pad onto bow) or making a tab on the bow. Take up shouldn't be less than 0.020".
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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by jglenn21 on Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:49 am

Chris.
When I PM'ed Alan on the high standard forums on rim fire central he also told me they were using triple K mags and working them for function..

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Post by Christopher Miceli on Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:51 am

Jon Eulette wrote:Take up is non adjustable on most triggers. The trigger bow has to be modified by adding material (Jerry welds a small pad onto bow) or making a tab on the bow. Take up shouldn't be less than 0.020".
Jon
How about something like this Jon?
http://shop.xline-geppert.de/en/fit-in/21-x-line-vario-trigger.html

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by jglenn21 on Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:00 am

Interesting. A bit of overkill but a nice design.

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Post by Jon Eulette on Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:02 am

Yep. There are cheaper ones out there with same feature. Boy parts just keeping getting more expensive 
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Post by Christopher Miceli on Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:10 am

Jon Eulette wrote:Yep. There are cheaper ones out there with same feature. Boy parts just keeping getting more expensive 
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Design overseas and made of unobtainium

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by jglenn21 on Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:25 am

Christopher Miceli wrote:I emailed inter arms about a colt 38wc mag...he informed me they had the triple K.  Do you have some pull to get factory colts?

 Colt no longer makes the Mags.. any you find are all used.. and pricey.

rumor had it that High Standard bought the rights to the mags from Colt years ago but to my knowledge never did anything with it..

I suspect there simply was never enough demand for them.

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by kc.crawford.7 on Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:27 am

If anyone is interested I have 2 of the X-Line triggers available.  $150.00 each plush shipping or if you want them both $300.00 and I'll include the shipping.

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by Christopher Miceli on Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:36 am

kc.crawford.7 wrote:If anyone is interested I have 2 of the X-Line triggers available.  $150.00 each plush shipping or if you want them both $300.00 and I'll include the shipping.
Hinge kind KC?

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by kc.crawford.7 on Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:37 am

Yes Sir, direct from Germany

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by larryxyx on Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:41 pm

A little side note about 38 wadcutter magazines.
Back in the late 60s a retired military armor that lived in Triadelphia, WV. did a lot of work on 1911. His name was Canalize (not sure of the spelling) went by a nickname of Candy.
He made a 38 wadcutter guns for friend of mine.  He would take a GI magazine and on the front lips make a cut on each side approximately a half inch back and down about a half and inch bend them in a little and they would feed the 38 spl wadcutter ammo.
I am sure he had to finesse it find the right bend but they worked. Try it on an old magazine.
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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by jglenn21 on Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:07 pm

Hmmm a 45 mag?

Seen 38 super mags cut for the spl
 Jim Clark did this for his early 38 conversions

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by Jon Eulette on Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:44 pm

I know a guy here in Calif that tinkers, and he got a 45 mag to work 100% in his .38 special.
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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by orpheoet on Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:59 pm

Fortunately I like to keep things simple. 2 mags should be just fine for me!

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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by bummer7 on Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:41 pm

larryxyx wrote:A little side note about 38 wadcutter magazines.
Back in the late 60s a retired military armor that lived in Triadelphia, WV. did a lot of work on 1911. His name was Canalize (not sure of the spelling) went by a nickname of Candy.
He made a 38 wadcutter guns for friend of mine.  He would take a GI magazine and on the front lips make a cut on each side approximately a half inch back and down about a half and inch bend them in a little and they would feed the 38 spl wadcutter ammo.
I am sure he had to finesse it find the right bend but they worked. Try it on an old magazine.
Larry

I've got two of these magazines converted from .38 Super.  (see picture).  I also have a .38 Spl magazine that I think is from Clark Custom Guns.  It has a solid aluminum follower instead a stamped steel one.  Not sure how to tell if the other magazines I have are Triple K or Colt as I thought Triple K made the .38 Spl magazines for Colt back in the 70's.  
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Re: Colt .38 wadcutter

Post by jglenn21 on Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:18 pm

I remember the 38 magazine with the aluminum follower.. had one at one time...can't remember who made them ..hated it

the original colt mags had the spring in the front of the magazine.. Triple Ks have is the back if memory serves

your converted super mags look like what Clark did originally.

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