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Target Distance Tolerance

Post by fc60 on 10/28/2016, 10:29 am

Greetings,

If someone has access to an NRA Range Manual, would you kindly look up the tolerance for the distance from the Firing Line to the Target Face?

For example:

25 yards +/- 3 inches?

50 yards +/- 12 inches?

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Re: Target Distance Tolerance

Post by cdrt on 10/28/2016, 11:04 am

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Re: Target Distance Tolerance

Post by Wobbley on 10/28/2016, 11:24 am

My NRA Range Hanbook says 25 yds + / - 3 inches; 50 yds + / - 8 inches.

Different for international events.

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Post by Chris Miceli on 10/28/2016, 11:27 am

Wobbley wrote:My NRA Range Hanbook says 25 yds + / - 3 inches; 50 yds + / - 8 inches.

Different for international events.
What is it for 10m air =]
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Post by Wobbley on 10/28/2016, 11:36 am

+ / -  .05 meters (2 inches).

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Re: Target Distance Tolerance

Post by Tim:H11 on 10/28/2016, 1:25 pm

Is "the line" defined by where the pistol shooter stands or where the bench (forward edge of bench or rearward edge of bench?) is for our pistol boxes? Just curious.
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Post by SteveT on 10/28/2016, 3:39 pm

Tim:H11 wrote:Is "the line" defined by where the pistol shooter stands or where the bench (forward edge of bench or rearward edge of bench?) is for our pistol boxes? Just curious.

It is a line on the ground that the feet / shoes must be behind. The arm / hand / gun can extend forward of the line.

I think at Camp Perry it is the back edge (farthest from the targets) of the benches.


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Re: Target Distance Tolerance

Post by Wobbley on 10/28/2016, 3:46 pm

At most ranges I've been to that have permanent benches, the firing line is defined as the forward edge of the bench.

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Post by cdrt on 10/28/2016, 3:52 pm

Wobbley wrote:At most ranges I've been to that have permanent benches, the firing line is defined as the forward edge of the bench.

That is not correct.  It would a line behind the bench that you need to stay behind.  We have a yellow line on our indoor range that is 25 yards to the target line.  The back of the benches is lined up with that line, not the front of the bench.
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Post by Wobbley on 10/28/2016, 4:00 pm

Never been to your range.  I guess they do things differently in Amarillo?

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Re: Target Distance Tolerance

Post by Jack H on 10/28/2016, 4:06 pm

The firing line is a line your toe must not touch
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Post by Jon Eulette on 10/28/2016, 4:27 pm

cdrt wrote:
Wobbley wrote:At most ranges I've been to that have permanent benches, the firing line is defined as the forward edge of the bench.

That is not correct.  It would a line behind the bench that you need to stay behind.  We have a yellow line on our indoor range that is 25 yards to the target line.  The back of the benches is lined up with that line, not the front of the bench.
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Post by Wobbley on 10/28/2016, 4:39 pm

Front edge, back edge or painted on a surface, so long as it is identified.  Each range I've been to has had a bench or a line painted IF the benches were moveable.  IRDFM.

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Post by Allen Barnett on 10/28/2016, 5:11 pm

And as a retired umpire if you ask 10 people to define the "strike zone" according to the rule book you would come up with 10 different answers!  The only difference is that a called strike is a judgement call and is not arguable!

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Post by cdrt on 10/28/2016, 5:44 pm

Wobbley wrote:Never been to your range.  I guess they do things differently in Amarillo?

If the firing line is the front of the bench, then you are shooting more than 25 yards + or - 3 inches, which is contrary to the NRA Range Book.  Think about it.  The firing line has to be behind the bench, not in front of it.  The rear of the bench lines up with the firing line, which you cannot cross while shooting.
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Post by john bickar on 10/28/2016, 6:13 pm

cdrt wrote:
Wobbley wrote:Never been to your range.  I guess they do things differently in Amarillo?

If the firing line is the front of the bench, then you are shooting more than 25 yards + or - 3 inches, which is contrary to the NRA Range Book.  Think about it.  The firing line has to be behind the bench, not in front of it.  The rear of the bench lines up with the firing line, which you cannot cross while shooting.

And no leaning on the bench, either!
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Re: Target Distance Tolerance

Post by fc60 on 10/28/2016, 8:15 pm

Greetings All,

This is interesting.

Our firing line is the front of a 24" deep bench, as measured with a steel tape.

So, since you are shooting further than 25 or 50 yards, can you establish a National Record?

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Re: Target Distance Tolerance

Post by cdrt on 10/28/2016, 8:32 pm

The rules dictate the distance from the firing line to the targets, but not where you stand behind it, i.e. how far, as long as you are behind it.  Your range has handicapped you, but it would be no different if you stood a foot behind the firing line to shoot, instead of right next to the bench without touching it.
Short answer, yes, you could still establish a national record.

5.5 Firing Position - Standing, gun held in one hand only, the other hand being used in no way to support the gun; all portions of the shooter’s clothing, body and gun clear of artificial support. Competitors will take their position at their numbered firing point in such manner as not to interfere with competitors on either side.
No portion of the shooter’s body may rest upon or touch the ground in advance of the firing line. (Fig. c)

Figure C shows the shooter standing directly behind the firing line but not touching it with his feet.
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Post by xmastershooter on 10/29/2016, 7:43 am

At Camp Perry one year, I was warned that my loose T-shirt cannot touch the rear of the bench as the wind was blowing even though my body was well behind the bench. After moving further back, it was more awkward to scope my shots as I had to take a step forwards while leaning sideways.

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Re: Target Distance Tolerance

Post by fc60 on 11/1/2016, 10:29 am

Wobbly, check your Personal Messages

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NRA Range Manual says...

Post by Richard Ashmore on 11/1/2016, 3:25 pm

Wobbley wrote:At most ranges I've been to that have permanent benches, the firing line is defined as the forward edge of the bench.
From the NRA Range Source Book, Section 2, Chapter 8, page II-8-5, paragraph 3.01.3.3.1- 

"...a bench in front of the firing line serves as a barrier."

I think most of the ranges you've been to got it wrong:lol!:
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Post by Wile E Coyote on 11/1/2016, 6:26 pm

3.03 Range Distances (firing line to target)
3.03.1 Distances or ranges for rifles and pistols should conform to standard configurations as traditionally adopted for range construction unless otherwise stipulated. Accuracy when laying out a facility for competition shooting is specified to be + 1/10th of 1 percent. Should measurements not be precise, it is better to exceed (100.1 yards for a 100 yard range) rather than fall short (99.9 yards). National records are not accepted for shortened ranges. International competitions are governed by more stringent specific rules.

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Post by LenV on 11/1/2016, 6:48 pm

Not a small consideration. If you place the bench behind the firing line then any National records that may be set will always be certified. Not much chance there was a toe a tiny bit over the line if it is at the other side of the bench. Just don't lean on it or let your shirt touch. Hmmm, I probably do that sometimes. Kinda hard to look over the big belly and check Smile

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Re: Target Distance Tolerance

Post by Chris Miceli on 11/1/2016, 6:49 pm

So what new national record did you set Dave?


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Post by john bickar on 11/1/2016, 11:29 pm

Christopher Miceli wrote:So what national record did you set Dave?

I hope (and believe) that comment is good-hearted fun.

For the folks who don't know Dave Wilson, he is one of the innovation engines that push bullseye equipment forward.

We're fortunate to have guys like Dave, Jerry Keefer, KC Crawford, and Jon Eulette participating on this forum. They are a wealth of knowledge, with gunsmithing and machining skills that I can't even begin to imagine. They really push the envelope, and question "conventional wisdom" from a standpoint of hard-earned real-life experience. 

They're all damn good shooters too.

So yeah, inquiring minds want to know: what National Record did you set, Dave? Smile
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