New Dry Fire System / SCATT alternative?

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New Dry Fire System / SCATT alternative?

Post by bmac on Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:49 pm

Has anyone used the MantisX? http://mantisx.com/ It looks promising and is at a pretty good price point.

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Re: New Dry Fire System / SCATT alternative?

Post by r_zerr on Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:45 pm

This appears to only be some form of a velocity and accellerometer that hooks onto your pistol and does not take any positional error into account.  The output is some dumb-down form of common errors based on your shot placement, which itself is not a reliable guide to solving problems.

The Scatt, Rika, and Noptel systems actually monitor full time vs. movement relative to where you are aiming, with a very reliable prediction of where your shot would hit based on your hold and movement. The Scatt, Rika, and Noptel units show your movement, your hold, can replay individual shots for analysis, and even evaluate your follow through. Although these systems don't try to tell you things like you are jerking, it can be visually noted in the hold/shot trace, which it appears is non-existent in the MantisX.

I can tell you that the SCATT, Noptel, and Rika systems are very valuable training aids, and will work, and if used are worth the money in terms of ammo not used and travel time to the range since they can be used at home.

I would recommend  that you spend your money on something other than the MantisX.

-Ron

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Re: New Dry Fire System / SCATT alternative?

Post by MantisAustin on Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:45 am

Austin from Mantis here.

Yes, MantisX is accelerometer/gyroscope based rather than IR-based (like Noptel, etc.).  So it doesn't try to replicate your target, but does the same movement analysis.  

MantisX does have the tracing pattern in addition to the aforementioned features.  We have a Noptel that we put on firearms simultaneously with a MantisX to verify and validate such traces.  The Noptel currently looks at a larger window of time (but we are extending that with a free app update), but the traces are very similar.

MantisX is wireless (bluetooth), and weighs very little (about 1 ounce total). 

Happy to answer any other questions you may have.

Cheers,
Austin

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Re: New Dry Fire System / SCATT alternative?

Post by Christopher Miceli on Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:24 am

Other systems are out there like the Trace or Beamhit...no experience with either

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Re: New Dry Fire System / SCATT alternative?

Post by bdas on Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:24 pm

MantisAustin wrote:Happy to answer any other questions you may have.

Is there any way to attach it to a pistol that does not have a picatinny rail on the dust cover?

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Re: New Dry Fire System / SCATT alternative?

Post by desben on Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:32 pm

bdas wrote:Is there any way to attach it to a pistol that does not have a picatinny rail on the dust cover?

+1

I'd buy one if there was a version you could attach to a 1911, Ruger or revolver, without a rail under the barrel. Even if that means you can only dryfire. If it clipped under the grip, you could possibly live-fire. With a Ruger or revolver, it could attach to the barrel with an elastic band and still live fire.

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Re: New Dry Fire System / SCATT alternative?

Post by MantisAustin on Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:53 pm

bdas wrote:Is there any way to attach it to a pistol that does not have a picatinny rail on the dust cover?

Yes.  As long as it is securely fixed to the firearm, it will work.  Unfortunately, elastic bands dampen the vibration patterns too much.

For 1911s, we like the ones adapters that Recover Tactical makes: recovertactical.com

We also offer adapters that replace the existing magazine base plate with a rail adapter on it: mantisx.com/collections/rail-adapters - there are only a few now, but we are in the process of designing dozens of others.

Cheers!
Austin

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