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SW22 Victory - Trigger Job?

Post by Slartybartfast on 11/11/2016, 2:06 pm

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So, I recently got my brand new SW22 Victory home and I'm waiting for the arrival of the Halo charging ring and Victory trigger from Tandemkross.

So, first I think I'm definitely going to put some ammo through it with the standard trigger to get a feel and be sure everything works correctly.

But once I take it apart to install the Victory trigger, is there anything else I could be paying attention to to improve the performance? For example:

madd macs precision tactical wrote:
Trigger job: The internals are removed so the hammer, sear and trigger disconnect can be hand polished to a mirror finish.  The hammer spring is reduced.  Trigger is set before it ships with a crisp break of 2lbs 4oz.

Anything in there that can be done using simple tools and supplies? I've seen Youtube videos of Glock trigger parts being polished to mirror finish using metal polish and q-tips.

Or is the risk of doing something wrong large enough that I should leave everything alone?
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Re: SW22 Victory - Trigger Job?

Post by Slartybartfast on 11/29/2016, 9:52 am

Magload wrote:I like that Federal Premium ammo I just ran a box through my Victory this morning.  I think after more rounds down range wiy\th your new pistol you will find it will be like mine and eat anything.  Don
Yeah, I think that's the only issue.
There's a store that has a lot of Sellier&Bellot SV in stock at a good price so I shot some of that and it worked without a flaw. Even with the SV it's amazing how far the casings eject.
So using the Minimags loosened the pistol up a bit. Will try the Federal Premium again and I have some CCI SV.
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Post by PaPow on 12/17/2016, 1:47 pm

I cleaned the pistol very good before even shooting it... and mine shot fine right out of the box with white box federal target. As a matter of fact, i`ve YET to have any failures with ANY ammo with it. One thing that IS a problem with these victory`s, there are complaint`s of the barrel loosening during shooting. (make sure the barrel lug on the barrel is tight BEFORE you tighten the main bolt) The easy fix to that is, put a "star" locking washer in under the main take-down bolt. DO NOT OVER TORQUE IT. It won`t ever loosen up during shooting again. Buy a few star washers and replace it every time you break the gun down for cleaning. And as for ammo, it wont shoot CCI Stingers, the mag is too short to allow the ammo to go down into the mag... that just pizz`s me off.... SOOOOO, I recently picked up the new Ruger MK4 TARGET... wow. Very nice improvements, but the OEM triggers still suck... BUT, i can shoot CCI Stingers out of it all day long. I guess my victory isnt going to get used much when i do the volquartson MK4 trigger job on the new MK4. ($105 for the Volquartson MK4 trigger kit incase you guys are wondering, it has just been released)

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Only SV for Bullseye

Post by Mac2 on 12/17/2016, 4:32 pm

I sure would not ever fire HV 22LR in the Victory.  For Bullseye SV is much more likely to provide needed accuracy and minimize battering of the pistol.  Prices have started to come down, and availability to increase, for CCI SV and some other brands.  
As I have mentioned, keeping a T wrench in kit and checking the screw before and after shooting is prudent.  My wife shoots Victory in Bullseye in preference to a Marvel derivative on an old Colt 1911 frame.  She has the "lightweight" barrel and loves the Hailo.  
Cheap pistols exist for shooting up the HV stuff.  Mac

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Post by PaPow on 12/17/2016, 8:49 pm

Mac2 wrote:I sure would not ever fire HV 22LR in the Victory.  For Bullseye SV is much more likely to provide needed accuracy and minimize battering of the pistol.  Prices have started to come down, and availability to increase, for CCI SV and some other brands.  
As I have mentioned, keeping a T wrench in kit and checking the screw before and after shooting is prudent.  My wife shoots Victory in Bullseye in preference to a Marvel derivative on an old Colt 1911 frame.  She has the "lightweight" barrel and loves the Hailo.  
Cheap pistols exist for shooting up the HV stuff.  Mac
You obviously have a different use for yours than i do for mine. I dont shoot competition, i just shoot to have fun and knock off red & grey squirrel`s, or coyote`s when they get to close to my house. So its pretty much HV ammo for me. And if i thought HV ammo was gonna tear this Victory up, then maybe i bought the wrong pistol... just sayin.

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OK

Post by Mac2 on 12/17/2016, 9:07 pm

Understood.  On a Bullseye related site, my first thought was use in Bullseye.  As you have reminded us, other uses abound.
Thanks.    Mac

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Post by PaPow on 12/17/2016, 9:12 pm

Mac2 wrote:Understood.  On a Bullseye related site, my first thought was use in Bullseye.  As you have reminded us, other uses abound.
Thanks.    Mac
Well one would think that first off...lol... but some people do float around in forums. I`m sure i`m not the only one in here that use`s their pistols for other purposes besides just strictly bulleye shooting...lol. No offense taken my friend...we`re good.

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Re: SW22 Victory - Trigger Job?

Post by Slartybartfast on 1/20/2017, 8:42 am

The trigger is now installed.

Quite frankly, I thought the disassembly and reassembly was very simple. Even though I didn't have the best tools.

A pick would have been handy to position the shim/washer. And the detent and spring did go ballistic on me twice. First time 6 feet up and a few feet over to come to rest on top of a china cabinet. Luckily it hit a metallic ornament and I clearly heard the ping so I knew where to look. Second time it went straight into the toolbox where I had it pointed.

The only thing I'd mention so no one has the same "oh crap I broke it" moment is that the gun might not fire if the adjustment screws are too far in. Panicked, took it apart but couldn't remove the cocked hammer, thought about it a bit, had an Ah HA! moment, reassembled, adjusted, and perfect.

I'll see how I like it tonight at the range.
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Post by Mac2 on 1/20/2017, 2:50 pm

Well done.  Do give us a detailed report.  As a data point:  I weighed the "lightweight" barrel and the stock barrel.  3.1 oz. difference, which can be significant for some.   Mac

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Post by Slartybartfast on 1/20/2017, 4:02 pm

And BTW, I just followed the excellent video produced by Tandemkross to complete the install.

Whole process took about 45 minutes. That includes the game of "find the detent" and needlessly disassembling and reassembling the pistol.

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Post by Cheapshot on 1/21/2017, 4:01 pm

My SW22 had a few issues with everything I fed it for the 1st 100 or so rounds. After the 1st hundred I found it really had an appetite for CCI Standard Velocity, ran that until a few weeks ago the decided to experiment again. Now after a little over 1700 rounds it eats everything and is a joy to shoot. I am very pleased with this pistol. I did add the Tandemkross Trigger and Halo pull ring, with a matchdot on top. Good Shooting!

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Post by Magload on 1/21/2017, 4:12 pm

Mac2 wrote:Well done.  Do give us a detailed report.  As a data point:  I weighed the "lightweight" barrel and the stock barrel.  3.1 oz. difference, which can be significant for some.   Mac
I have the VQ SS Fluted with the Forward Blow Comp and it added a lot of weight to the gun.  Don
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Post by Mac2 on 1/21/2017, 6:15 pm

Glad to know that the other V. barrel adds weight.  I had wondered it it would be desirable for wife.

I see that I did not make clear that the Lightweight V. barrel reduced the total weight by 3.1 oz.  The net weight with Lightweight barrel and an inexpensive red-dot sight (one that is ideal for bowling pin competitions, but not for Bullseye) is right at the limit for my wife at 37.6 oz.  Range Officer, that many recommend, is just too heavy as CF pistol.  

With Mark IV selling well and SW22 selling well at a price under the Mark IV, need means to get new Bullseye competitors from those buying them.
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Re: SW22 Victory - Trigger Job?

Post by Slartybartfast on 1/24/2017, 12:36 pm

So, now I've shot the pistol with the TandemKross trigger.

Not having much pistol experience, I have to say I like it. There is little take-up and I suppose it feels lighter.

Shot my personal best (90/100 on an ISSF 20yd target) Sunday morning, so the trigger isn't hurting my performance.

One issue seems to be the trigger/sear mechanism doesn't always seem to reset after last round fired. On first round of a magazine sometimes the trigger seems soft as if the safety is on. Pulling fully a releasing I can feel the click of the reset and then everything works fine.

Might end up taking the pre-travel screw out entirely. I think the trigger is already eliminating much of the pretravel of the old trigger without additional adjustment.

Sorry, but didn't measure trigger pull weight or gun weight before or after the install.
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