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Post by Jon Math on 12/7/2016, 12:15 pm

Rookie question--if there ever was one.


Am I correct in assuming the difference is mainly NRA sanctioned matches allow dot scopes, orthopedic style grips  and wad cutter type bullets, and two or three pistols or revolvers.  While the CMP matches are a .22 LR and a service revolver w/ stock grips both open sighted and FMJ ammo? 
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Post by Tim:H11 on 12/7/2016, 12:32 pm

NRA Bullseye is more like "unlimited" in the sense that you're allowed red dots, scopes, or iron sights. You're allowed a single shot pistol, Revolver, or an auto loading pistol. Target or anatomical grips are permitted. It's kind of an anything goes game but they're are rules. 

CMP is more the EIC (excellence in competition) stuff. Service Pistol (what used to be called hard ball) is a 45 or 9mm and iron sights only. Slab side grips only. Jacketed Ammo only. That sort of thing. 

There is the Distinguished Revolver match and a 22 EIC match also. Separate rules for everything. Read through the PDF version online of the CMP rules and the NRA Pistol rules. It's all explained.
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Post by dronning on 12/7/2016, 12:47 pm

Jon Math wrote:While the CMP matches are a .22 LR and a service revolver w/ stock grips both open sighted and FMJ ammo? 

CMP events are with a service pistol not a revolver, the list of what qualifies as a service pistol was expanded dramatically last year. 

The Distinguished Revolver match is an NRA event

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Post by LenV on 12/7/2016, 12:53 pm

These are the NRA rules and include DR (Distinguished Revolver) Easy read.

http://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/Pistol/pistol-book.pdf

And here are the CMP rules. They include rules for EIC in what used to be hardball and the new EIC .22 rules. Also an easy read and good to keep handy.

http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/Rulebook.pdf?ver=20161026
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Post by Jon Math on 12/7/2016, 12:58 pm

So for a beginning competitor would one be better off getting a good quality service 1911 as their first target pistol and shoot that in either NRA or CMP sponsored events, or is that type of pistol hopelessly outclassed in NRA matches?
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Post by dronning on 12/7/2016, 1:09 pm

Jon Math wrote:So for a beginning competitor would one be better off getting a good quality service 1911 as their first target pistol and shoot that in either NRA or CMP sponsored events, or is that type of pistol hopelessly outclassed in NRA matches?

A 1911 with irons still holds the NRA record, so no it won't be over matched.

The only issue is for a CMP service pistol must have a min. 4lb trigger in NRA min. 3 1/2, so can run a slightly lighter trigger in NRA.

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Post by LenV on 12/7/2016, 1:15 pm

That is an excellent way to start. But you would also need a good .22. Neither pistol has to be "great" to start out. A nice starter .45 is the Springfield Range Officer. It could carry you to very high expert scores or even Master without any modifications. here are lots of choices for a production .22. S&W Victory, Ruger MK 2, 3, or 4, S&W 22A or a Browning Buckmark are all around 400.00 and all capable of great groups. Welcome to the chase

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Post by Jon Math on 12/7/2016, 1:18 pm

I have the 22 sorted out--I may have to lose my red dot-but the pistol has irons already. It's the center fires that have me baffled.  Springfield's are a no go in Mass or I'd be all over a Range Master.

Will a pistol that shoots low power wadcutter ammo still handle service load FMJ?  I think I really need to confirm what the clubs I most likely will be shooting at are affiliated with and proceed from there. 
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Post by LenV on 12/7/2016, 1:24 pm

The answer to the first question is easy. You don't need to shoot full power loads for EIC anymore. Powder puff loads with your jacketed bullets are allowed and you can always change springs if you need more oomph to get the accuracy you desire with a particular load. What to do about Mass. rules not a clue. Move? Smile
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Post by Jon Math on 12/7/2016, 1:30 pm

Thanks to all for the great information!!
If I did not have family here I’d be gone so fast it would look like a cartoon with a dust cloud following me. 

I have options—used (pre-ban) guns are out there, and Rock Island, and Sig both are OK new here.  Once I own the pistol I believe I can ship it out of state to a gunsmith for work too. 
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Post by LenV on 12/7/2016, 2:02 pm

Jon,  There is another good choice if your not going to move Smile You can check on the Kimber Gold Match II. There are two Kimber dealers in Mass. and they would know if they can sell that model (3200354). I personally own two of them and have converted one to a 38 super and shoot the other for EIC matches. I guess you could say I am a Kimber fan. I also have two Range Officers so maybe just a 1911 fan. It's worth looking into. Another possibility would be a SW1911. Some of them made the list.

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Post by Jon Math on 12/7/2016, 2:39 pm

They must be Kimber Rifle distributors—last time I looked at the approved list Kimber pistols were not on it.  I do see them used from time to time but usually for an awfully large amount of money.  A Smith is high on my look at list for sure.  By and by I’d love a match tuned Beretta 9MM service pistol, but that will have to wait unless all they shoot locally is CMP matches.

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Post by Chris Miceli on 12/7/2016, 5:05 pm

Can you get a colt? I know Greg derr who is mass works on lots of them.... might be your only option?
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Post by Jon Math on 12/7/2016, 5:13 pm

Used ones only!
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Post by LenV on 12/7/2016, 7:24 pm

I see the just released Ruger MK IV made the list but S&W Victory isn't there. Smith makes nice 1911s. Remington made the list also. Never had much luck with Rem but new stuff looks nice. Get bored? Read the list. Rolling Eyes

http://www.mass.gov/eopss/docs/chsb/firearms/approvedfirearmsroster10-2016.pdf
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Post by Jon Math on 12/8/2016, 7:20 am

I know Ruger is pretty good at getting its models approved—I hope their recent 1911 target model gets approved soon. Smith is too and I’m surprised the new Victory is not on the list yet.  I was looking at Sig’s website they do not list their 226 as being MA approved, but it is on this MA list so there is a lot of confusion even between the AG and the manufacturers it seems.

I have found a used Colt in stainless a model 80 with a Bomar extended front sight rib installed I’d assume it’s original owner shot bulls eye with that setup.  Also four different Kimber pistols at the same dealer.  I’m kind of nervous about used 1911’s as a lot of kitchen table gunsmiths seem to delight in working the pistol style over more than others.  I’d hate to buy someone’s problem/mistakes.
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