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My Luck Is Terrible!!

Post by sawacs on Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:42 pm

I just received my Ultra Match Grade 1911 barrel today for the R1.

When I initially inspected the barrel, I noticed there were a bunch of metal flakes left in the barrel.  I said to myself wtf affraid 

I decided to run an oil soaked patch down the bore to clean everything out.  Well, after a few patches, this is what was left in the Ultra Match Grade barrel...

When I run a Qtip down the barrel, it feels like I am sliding it across sand paper No





On a final and brighter note, I must say the fit of the barrel was absolutely perfect with zero slop when locked up!

Anyhoot, I think I am going to keep the barrel I currently have in the R1 and call it good.. lol!

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Shawn

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Post by james r chapman on Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:07 pm

What sights on your R1?

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Post by sawacs on Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:15 pm

Current sights on the R1 are the factory sights..

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Post by Magload on Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:53 pm

What barrel is that and where did you get it if I may ask.  I like my R1 and am going to use the frame for my Nelson conversion kit when it gets here.  I was thinking it could use some trigger work for BE.  Don

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Post by sawacs on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:09 pm

Magload wrote:What barrel is that and where did you get it if I may ask.  I like my R1 and am going to use the frame for my Nelson conversion kit when it gets here.  I was thinking it could use some trigger work for BE.  Don
I sure hate to mention the name of who manufactured the barrel but I will say it is not a Kart, Barsto, Storm Lake, or one of the major pistol manufacturers barrels.

The barrel was for my R1 to experiment with a match grade barrel and accuracy improvements that should follow with a match barrel combined with reloading.

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Post by Jon Eulette on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:15 pm

I've seen rough bored barrels shoot good. Not pretty to look at but if lands are good they can still group.
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Post by sawacs on Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:22 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:I've seen rough bored barrels shoot good. Not pretty to look at but if lands are good they can still group.
Jon

I am sure you are correct that some of them can still shoot good.  However, I paid good money for a match grade barrel not a sewer pipe.  Besides, the sewer pipe barrel would always be in the back of my mind bugging me Laughing

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Post by Jon Eulette on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:17 am

If you're going to trash can it, send it to me. I'll see if it shoots! Good R&D barrel ;l)
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Post by sawacs on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:31 am

Jon Eulette wrote:If you're going to trash can it, send it to me. I'll see if it shoots! Good R&D barrel ;l)
Jon
Trash a perfectly bad barrel? Wutt?  Shocked
I think a refund would be a better course of action lol!

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Post by Jon Eulette on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:52 am

sawacs wrote:
Jon Eulette wrote:If you're going to trash can it, send it to me. I'll see if it shoots! Good R&D barrel ;l)
Jon
Trash a perfectly bad barrel? Wutt?  Shocked
I think a refund would be a better course of action lol!

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Post by jmdavis on Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:55 am

John, might a couple of hundred rounds of JHP and some JB, get that barrel in shape?

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Post by Jon Eulette on Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:00 am

Quite possibly. I've welded up old Colts that had extra grooves (not really that bad) in thegrooves and got 1.5" with Federal match. It would smooth up eventually. I know Jerry believes in nice smooth barrels (so do I) but in my experience if tolerances are good they will still shoot good. 45 acp is pretty darn forgiving.
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Post by Chris Miceli on Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:03 am

jmdavis wrote:John, might a couple of hundred rounds of JHP and some JB, get that barrel in shape?
Jerry once posted something about barrels after they were finished from the factory ...I can't remember what he wrote....sorry I wasn't very helpful but it's somewhere on this forum

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Post by sawacs on Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:17 am

What would you gents recommend I do with this barrel?  Swap it out?  I don't know enough about brand new 1911 barrels to make the call without input from the experts.



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Post by Wobbley on Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:41 am

The barrel was cut rifled.  Perhaps by a broach.  It can and probably shoot ok.  The chamber and throat looks like it could use a touch up too.

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Post by BE Mike on Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:47 am

This isn't right. I would worry about an overabundance of leading or copper fouling. I would contact the barrel maker to see about having them fix or replace the barrel. When you buy a new car, would you expect the paint to be acceptable if it were wrinkled?

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Post by Chris Miceli on Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:49 am

sawacs wrote:What would you gents recommend I do with this barrel?  Swap it out?  I don't know enough about brand new 1911 barrels to make the call without input from the experts.



Thanks,

Shawn
Send it to dave sams and he will put it in barrel treat fixture for a fee. If it groups use it.

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Post by Bigtrout on Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:14 am

It looks like my S&W 986 barrel that had burrs from the forcing cone dragged through the bore during, most probably, the first few rounds fired.  After 6 months of arguing, 4 returns to S&W, 2 S&W claims the barrel was replaced, the barrel was finally changed after a letter of complaint to the CEO.  The new barrel reduced group size by 30%.  I feel your pain.

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Post by james r chapman on Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:21 am

Maybe it wasn't finished. QC misses a few every where.

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Post by jglenn21 on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:34 pm

"Ultra Match Grade" makes me think of only one brand..

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Post by Mac2 on Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:22 pm

A brief Google search uncovered several barrel manufacturers using that sort of tag.  I may check the trademark data base, but the term seems much too generic - to the point of having little meaning.     Mac
Checked: not in trademark data.   Most close is an old Federal registration for ammo.


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Post by Chris Miceli on Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:27 pm

Contact the manufacturer, if you got it from brownells they will take the return

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Post by sawacs on Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:42 pm

Edit: Rather than get a refund, I am going to give the manufacturer a chance to make things correct.  They admitted that the barrel was not right and slipped past the QC process: they are sending another one out.  Hopefully, things will work out with round two especially since the barrel was turning out to be a really great fit with very little smithing required.

The barrel is in the mail heading back for a refund. 

Thanks,

Shawn

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