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Post by OldManNewAmmo on 1/27/2017, 7:42 pm

I am interested in shooting the centers out of targets and have coveted the Hammerli models since my days studying them in Herters catalogs in the 60's.  Since I don't have any of those catalogs handy and also because I am very interested in talking to people that have spent time with those models in hand. on the range.

I shoot left handed right eye dominant and while I am ambidextrious, I do prefer to stick with my left.

I have never shot competition but am mostly interested in having a gun that I can tune and find dead accurate with it and get it to stay there once I am, and the gun, are tuned to each other.  (mostly for fun.) if I find out that I have any aptitude for it I might pursue it but I want one of these guns (as listed below) as part of my bucket list.  cost isn't the issue, finding the right Hammerli for my needs, is.

My options are between:

Walther Hammerli Olympia semi auto target
Hammerli Model 151 target
Hammerli Model 107 Match
Hammerli Model 152 Free
Hammerli Semi Auto Olympia target
Hammerli Olympic single shot target

These pistols are available to me and I am willing to pay for the one that is best suited for me based on advice I draw from those of you that have spent time with these models.  TIA!

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Post by OldManNewAmmo on 1/27/2017, 8:34 pm

I do prefer to stay with 22LR ammo.  I guess you gathered that based onthe type and make and models listed but wanted to clarify since alot of you are probably into 45.

I don't mean to come off as wealthy, just the opposite, I am a 100% disabled Vet on that permanent fixed income but when you want something and it's always stuck in the back of your mind, you have to scratch that itch.

I should mention that mobility of the arms/hands isn't an issue since the disabled portion may raise flags.

I should also mention that when I ask for tutoring, I mean a few conversations on here, not spending a day or days in person.  All I need is wisdom, input and suggestions.  I can take it from there.  What I am mostly asking for here is your suggestions and input after hearing my thoughts and goals for the particular model.

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Post by Ghillieman on 1/27/2017, 9:53 pm

If you want to shoot NRA Precision Pistol you will need a semi-automatic pistol, chambered in .22lr, preferably capable of mounting an optic (red dot). The Army Marksmanship Unit uses Hammerli 208.

All the pistols you mention are for ISSU 50 meter free pistol or ISSU 25 meter rapid fire pistol.
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Post by Jon Eulette on 1/27/2017, 9:55 pm

Having shot everyone of those pistols I feel qualified to comment. Do not buy any of them! All the single shots are 50 meter free pistols. They are truthfully for the much better experienced shooters. Most unforgiving pistol to shoot EVER! The 107 is a .22 short and will break the bank to feed it. Also a longer barrel which makes it unforgiving to shoot.
Since you appear to want a Hammerli I would recommend a 208 or 215 model. S series has two stage trigger. If you buy any of those other pistols you will regret it later. Good Luck!
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Post by willnewton on 1/28/2017, 3:21 am

Another vote for the 208/215 pistol.  The 215 is the slightly more budget friendly model of the 208.  They are the same pistol internally, but the 215  is not as finely finished on the outside and has a slightly different cut on the barrel.

Try to get one that has magazines included, since they are pricey.  A red dot scope mount from larrysguns.com is a definite plus.  You can also source parts from Larry's as well.

I have a 215 and like it quite a lot.  They are not something you see much outside of a Bullseye match and I make a point to let anyone that asks me about my "wierd gun" dry fire it at least once.  The face folks make when they pull the trigger is totally worth it.
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Post by Chris Miceli on 1/28/2017, 5:57 am

Only the coolest of the cool shoot hammerli p240
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Post by OldManNewAmmo on 1/28/2017, 7:09 am

Micelli: cool won't be a factor.  Am 62 and anything but that at this point, and it's a very unimportant factor.  However, since you feel strongly about that model: why?

Ghillieman: thank you!

Eulette: thanks!  now, other than the two stage trigger, why?  I agree that 22 short isn't the game I want to play.

willnewton: thank you sir.  what features draw you to the 215 and what about the trigger is your selling point?

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Post by Chris Miceli on 1/28/2017, 7:28 am

Cause I shoot one and I am the coolest person I know.
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Post by willnewton on 1/28/2017, 8:14 am

Well, the main feature that drew me to the 215 is that the guy shooting next to me had one for sale.  I was shooting a Ruger 22/45 LITE and wanted a heavier pistol and was preparing to buy a Hammerli  Xesse.  He let me shoot a match with the 215 and I outshot my old scores by a wide margin and continue to do so.  I bought the gun the next day.  I probably could have saved some money shopping around, but don't regret my purchase.

Oddly enough, my buddy took the money from the 215 and bought an Xesse.  He had owned one before and missed the grip which he said fit his hand perfectly. He shoots very well with both guns, but his scores have definitely improved with the Xesse.  He has had more alibis though!  I think he may need to change his cleaning regimen with the new gun.

 It has not been mentioned here yet, but the Hammerli Xesse is a very nice pistol as well.  The starting price is low too, but once outfitted with mount, scope, singlehanded grip, etc. starts to approach what a used 215/208 would cost if you are patient and wait for a good price.

As for the trigger comment, most folks at my local range have never seen a Hammerli nor shot a true target pistol, especially one of Olympic quality.  Us poor old country hicks just don't know that a trigger can feel so amazing or at least I didn't.  I am sure many other of the euroguns have similar feel, but you won't find anything like it on a Ruger nor have I pulled any other trigger on an American pistol that compares to it. It feels as solid a safe door that you could shut with your pinkie.  The trigger pull doesn't "break like glass", it simply disappears when two pounds of pressure is applied. My Ruger has been relegated to the toy box.  The Hammerli is in tool box.

Chris just got a p240 and he is obviously pretty happy about it! Laughing

 I have shot beside a lady using a modern Hammerli SP20 and she has posted some amazing scores, but if you watched her shoot, it would be obvious that about anything in her hand is going to going to perform.  Her shot procedures, poise, focus, and attitude on the line have stuck with me as a model for how I would like to be.  Her process is a tea ceremony.  I would love to try her SP20 one day, but she is a lefty.

The only other comment I might add would be on the "S" models with the two-stage trigger.  I have not felt like I needed that and have read postings where some folks make no use of it all if they do have it.  I have not tried one, so don't know if I am missing anything either.  There seems to be a preference for uninterrupted trigger pull in Bullseye.  It may lean the other way for International style.
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Post by OldManNewAmmo on 1/28/2017, 9:22 am

Chris Miceli wrote:Cause I shoot one and I am the coolest person I know.
well, thank you for the most useless information I could have asked for.  Smile

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Post by Chris Miceli on 1/28/2017, 9:31 am

OldManNewAmmo wrote:
Chris Miceli wrote:Cause I shoot one and I am the coolest person I know.
well, thank you for the most useless information I could have asked for.  Smile
Haha, I like the p240 because it's a convertible gun for 38spcl(wad cutter),32 s&w long(wad cutter), and 22lr all while the magazines feed where your grip is. Most the 32s feed in a magazine forward of the trigger which I don't like the feel of. Two stage trigger...only thing I don't like is the trigger cannot be moved fore and aft or side to side. Not sure if any hammerli do.
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Post by Ghillieman on 1/29/2017, 1:57 am

Before you make a decision and purchase a pistol, do yourself a favor and try a Pardini SP.
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Post by Jon Eulette on 1/29/2017, 9:17 am

I own both the Hammerli 208S and Pardini SP. I find myself choosing the Hammerli 99% of the time for matches. Even though the SP trigger is practically infinitely adjustable, the 208S has a much better trigger. I've felt the SP trigger on other master/high master's pistols and they have the same complaint. But I do believe the SP to be a more forgiving shortline pistol. 
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Post by pistol champ on 1/29/2017, 8:17 pm

I also have both a 208s and a Pardini both have great triggers but my scores are usually slightly higher with the 208s even though the Pardini shoots tighter groups from a rest.

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Post by mparker on 1/30/2017, 9:48 am

I have, among others, a Hammerli 208 and a 215. If your familiar with the S&W 41 and it's sibling the Model 46 then I think you can fairly compare the Hammerli 215 to the 208 in the same way. Not quite as nice but every bit the equal of a 208. Can't go wrong with either. I like 2 stage triggers but every time I take the 208 or 215 out it's like shooting with an old friend.

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Post by OldManNewAmmo on 1/31/2017, 3:37 pm

Ghillie: will do.  thanks for the suggestion!

Champ: what do you attribute the different scores to?

mparker: noted.  I will spend some time with those models as well!

Say, yesterday, oddest thing.  In 25 yrs give or take, I have never seen the issue I did here.  I went to respond and it kept telling me that there was no server available. and it was a repeat message, every  time I tried to leave a msg.  Very odd.

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Post by knightimac on 2/1/2017, 7:26 am

Are
 the 208s and 208 international the same model?  If not, is the 208 international good for bullseye/precision pistol?

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Post by Chris Miceli on 2/1/2017, 7:44 am

knightimac wrote:Are
 the 208s and 208 international the same model?  If not, is the 208 international good for bullseye/precision pistol?

thanks,

Paul
Larry carter might have all those answers
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Post by Richard Ashmore on 2/1/2017, 12:54 pm

The 208 International is NOT the same as the 208s. The trigger in the International is single stage, and the trigger guard is different which makes the barrel weights different. The extractor is different, too.
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Post by Jon Eulette on 2/1/2017, 2:30 pm

All Hammerli 208 or 215 varieties are great for BE. I shot 895 with 208. I have an S now but just pull the trigger and shoot 10's ;l)
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Post by Chris Miceli on 2/1/2017, 2:37 pm

Jon Eulette wrote:All Hammerli 208 or 215 varieties are great for BE. I shot 895 with 208. I have an S now but just pull the trigger and shoot 10's ;l)
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Pssshhhh.... 10s....more like x's
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Post by dhenry132 on 2/1/2017, 5:31 pm

Don't discount the Hammerli 280
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