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Post by fc60 on 1/29/2017, 11:51 am

Greetings,

I telephoned Hornady the other day to discover that they discontinued the 0.314" 90 grain HBWC three years ago. Shows how much I get out of the Mann Kave.

Recent regulations in Germany have made the excellent H&N bullet unavailable. No USA distributor and the Canadian chap that was importing them plans to stop due to the paperwork.

So, is there another source for 98-100 grain HBWC bullets in the USA or Canada?

Speer 98 HBWC work okay in 0.311" bore barrels. However, too many fliers in the European 0.314" barrels.

Cheers,

Dave

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Post by Chris Miceli on 1/29/2017, 3:57 pm

Interested as well, I have 4K speers seriously debating rebarreling my p240 into a 32acp
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Post by desben on 1/29/2017, 4:08 pm

Lapua makes a 98-grain HBWC. Brownells has it in the States, Hirsch Precision has them in Canada. It should be fantastic if price is a good indicator  Shocked
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Post by LenV on 1/29/2017, 4:40 pm

Magnus has DEWC .314 in stock at very good price. Did you ever try these?

http://saas.shopsite.com/magnusbullets/store/page2.html
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Post by john bickar on 1/29/2017, 4:54 pm

Sounds like a market opportunity, Dave.
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Post by messenger on 1/29/2017, 5:38 pm

LenV wrote:Magnus has DEWC .314 in stock at very good price. Did you ever try these?

http://saas.shopsite.com/magnusbullets/store/page2.html
Hi Len,

What does the DE in DEWC stand for?

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Post by desben on 1/29/2017, 6:18 pm

DE stands for Double-Ended. As opposed to hollow base (HBWC).

DEWC don't have a hollow cavity on one end. They are more or less symmetrical and can be loaded either way. They tend to be cast bullets, where most HBWC are swaged.
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Post by messenger on 1/29/2017, 6:58 pm

The Magnus I was using were button head. The only double head I could find were Penn.

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Re: 32 HBWC Bullets

Post by fc60 on 1/29/2017, 7:25 pm

Greetings,

I have several moulds to cast my own, if needed.

The Lapua smell nice when fired; but, I never found the secret to X-ring groups at 50 yards. I gave all mine away.

I also wrote to H&N asking about being a USA reseller. They replied saying they had no plans for a USA reseller.

I may try some test barrels using 0.308" blanks. I had one in the past and it shot the Speer's fairly well.

Cheers,

Dave
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Post by desben on 1/29/2017, 7:33 pm

Champion's Choice is an H&N dealer for pellets. They also sell .32 bullets from other brands (Lapua, Magnus, etc.). Maybe if enough of you ask, they could carry the .32 H&N ? Best of luck.
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Post by LenV on 1/29/2017, 9:09 pm

Speer makes both a .314 and a .312. I have found both in stock at multiple places doing a quick search. LG has both. Sportsman's also. I guess I was not sure if your looking for .312 or .314?

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Post by messenger on 1/30/2017, 5:16 am

I have bought Speer 32 S&WL from two different on line stores. Both boxes were marked .314. I couldn't find anything over .312 in either box. Sent them back with no questions.
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Post by Chris Miceli on 1/30/2017, 5:20 am

So far out of the ones i've measured they are coming in at .313  my barrel slugged out @ .312.  haven't had a chance to load for it yet.
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Post by Gene Hedberg on 2/2/2017, 11:24 am

A second vote for Magnus bullets (http://www.magnusbullets.com/). Terry is a fellow shooter and makes good bullets.
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Re: 32 HBWC Bullets

Post by fc60 on 2/2/2017, 10:55 pm

Greetings,

Thanks to those that posted sources of Cast Bullets.

Sadly, Cast Bullets are NOT swaged HBWC as I originally requested.

I welcome those that do use Cast Bullets to post their 10X groups fired at 50 yards. Images, that is, showing all ten shots.

I have not seen a commercially cast bullet that out performs a good swaged HBWC bullet.

Cheers,

Dave
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Post by LenV on 2/2/2017, 11:38 pm

Actually, You make zero mention of swaged bullets in your original post. Just an FYI.

"Greetings,

I telephoned Hornady the other day to discover that they discontinued the 0.314" 90 grain HBWC three years ago. Shows how much I get out of the Mann Kave.

Recent regulations in Germany have made the excellent H&N bullet unavailable. No USA distributor and the Canadian chap that was importing them plans to stop due to the paperwork.

So, is there another source for 98-100 grain HBWC bullets in the USA or Canada?

Speer 98 HBWC work okay in 0.311" bore barrels. However, too many fliers in the European 0.314" barrels.

Cheers,

Dave"
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Re: 32 HBWC Bullets

Post by fc60 on 2/3/2017, 11:16 am

Greetings,

j'ai fait une erreur...

Ich machte einen Fehler...

I made an error...

I did forget about the Mihec HBWC moulds. I had some and sold them. Too much work for such little output of "keepers".

Yes, the "keepers" shot X-ring at 50 yards. Again, too labor intensive.

Thanks for pointing out the error.

Cheers,

Dave
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Post by gregbenner on 2/4/2017, 2:05 pm

fc60 wrote:Greetings,

Thanks to those that posted sources of Cast Bullets.

Sadly, Cast Bullets are NOT swaged HBWC as I originally requested.

I welcome those that do use Cast Bullets to post their 10X groups fired at 50 yards. Images, that is, showing all ten shots.

I have not seen a commercially cast bullet that out performs a good swaged HBWC bullet.

Cheers,

Dave

I think I understand the difference, is "swaged" is better for BE shooting?  How does one know cast v swaged when buying?  I just purchased a couple type of Lapua, and some Speers, all HBWC.

Also, with the Speer, they are sold and packaged as .314, but when I measure with my new calipers and micrometer, they are .311-.312.  Is this normal?  I purchased then from Midway.

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Post by messenger on 2/4/2017, 5:55 pm

I have also bought some Speer where the box was marked .314 and I couldn't find one that was over .312. Don't worry, Midway will take them back. It would seem to be a rule of thumb that if they are hollow back they are swaged. I have never seen a HB cast 32.
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Post by paulmcallister on 2/10/2017, 3:18 pm

Hello David,

If you have the time I'd appreciate a treatise on why HBWC are more desirable than cast bullets.  I'm just looking to learn.

Thanks, Paul

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Post by dhenry132 on 2/10/2017, 4:11 pm

I have been working with this mold , NOE 315-90-WC RG4 cavity HBWC [BA3]  It looks promising. So far I'm still playing with it at 25 yd. 5 shot groups under 3/4 of an inch at 25 yd.
I'm still learning this type of mold so I'm thinking it will improve.
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/product_info.php?products_id=2683
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Post by JKR on 2/11/2017, 7:30 am

That's an interesting mold. Looks like the pins have to come out with the bullets on every cast. How do you handle them considering how hot they must be? Do the skirts form well on the pins? 

You're getting good 25 yard results. What gun are you using? 

I'm very curious because I'm a long time bullet caster. I knew this type of mold existed but have never tried one.

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Post by dhenry132 on 2/11/2017, 2:10 pm

The pins stay in. They slide back and forth in a slot on the bottom.
Using a Hammerli 280
I'm still working on getting the hang of it. Skirts are tricky, right now I'm running a little hotter (725) and adding a little tin
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Post by NuJudge on 2/11/2017, 2:21 pm

I bought one of those molds also, but it'll be a little cold for me to cast bullets for another couple months.  Tin decreases the growth of the dendrites growing from the solid Lead alloy into the still liquid Lead alloy, decreasing the size of voids.  It also lowers the melting temperature, making the Lead more fluid.  

I am interested in what Lead source you are using.  Most of the Lead scrap I come across has Antimony or Arsenic in it to harden it.  I usually want hard bullets, but don't for .32 and .45 pistol.  Adding Tin to Lead with Antimony makes for a Ternary alloy, and hardness really increases.

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