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What is different in NMC

Post by Magload on 3/31/2017, 7:36 pm

What am I missing when reading the rule book when it comes to shooting the NMC as I don't see where it differs from the rest of the match?  Don 
















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Re: What is different in NMC

Post by C.Perkins on 3/31/2017, 7:46 pm

Could you be more specific ?
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Post by Magload on 3/31/2017, 8:29 pm

C.Perkins wrote:Could you be more specific ?
I could try.  I don't see a difference in now NMC is shot.  I look at the scores posted at the range and they list SF. TF, RF and NMC for 22, CF, and 45.  The NMC SF is 10 shots in 10 minutes but isn't that the same as the regular SF?  I have not shot a match yet and have only stayed long enough to watch the SF a couple times.  Had to get home in time for the NFL  1 o'clock kick off.  Don
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Post by james r chapman on 3/31/2017, 8:39 pm

It's a combination of 10 sf, 10 TF, and 10 TF. Done consecutively and scored together as a sub 300 point sub match of the 900 match
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Re: What is different in NMC

Post by Magload on 3/31/2017, 8:51 pm

james r chapman wrote:It's a combination of 10 sf, 10 TF, and 10 TF. Done consecutively and scored together as a sub 300 point sub match of the 900 match
Thanks, so there is nothing different I need to do. Think I can handle it then.  There won't be a 1800 this month as the 2017 Dixie Match is being held.  This club match is just 1800 no NMC I am hoping I can hold up for 180 shots as I never shoot more then 60 rounds a day since I shoot 4 or 5 days a week.  Don
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Post by dronning on 3/31/2017, 8:56 pm

More than you wanted to know,

There are 5 actual matches during each caliber 22, CF, 45 and by having the NMC match where it is you only change from 50yds to 25yds once.  

1) Slow fire match 20 shots
10 shots SF
10 shots SF

2) NMC 30 shots
10 shots SF then move target frames to 25 yards or move to the 25 yd bench
10 shots TF 
10 shots RF 

3) Timed fire match 20 shots
10 shots TF
10 shots TF

4) Rapid fire match
10 shots RF
10 shots RF

5) Aggregate Match, the total of 90 shots or 900 possible points.

So in a 2700 there are 16 matches

5 for 22, 5 for CF, 5 for 45, and the 16th is the 2700 aggregate match.

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Post by Magload on 3/31/2017, 9:19 pm

Thanks Dave now I got it.  Don
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Post by CR10X on 4/1/2017, 6:49 am

Even more than you need but it will make reading the rule book a little easier.  Shocked

In addition, there is what people call a "match" that they go to and shoot.  This is actually a Tournament.  

The Tournament has a Program, which describes the tournament conditions, what matches will be shot and what / how the awards are given, etc.  The Tournament Program has a format provided by the NRA to try and create some consistency. The program is important because it will tell you what matches and strings are to be shot and/or scored like a single 900 Aggregate, a National Match Course, and 1800 Aggregate, full 2700 tournament, etc.  Programs can also specify specific guns, requirements for competitors, even that there will be no "alibis" or refires.

Its important to know what a "Match" is because you are only allowed one alibi / refire per Match.  That's why the whole shooting contest is called a Tournament.  (And to be honest, what people were calling a "match" versus the refiring allowed confused the heck out of me when I first picked up the rule book.) 

For a full 2700 Tournament, the first four Matches in Dave's example are called "Fired Matches".  The "Aggregate Match" is an unfired match that is awarded from the scores for the four Fired Match totals.  The "Grand Aggregate" is also an unfired match from the three Aggregate Matches (.22, CF & .45) scores.   

The Tournament Bulletin is the report provided by the Match Officials that shows the scores and awards for the match, in accordance with the conditions of the Tournament Program. 

There, that should put you to sleep.  If not, then we can begin the discussion of alibis, refires strings and scoring less than or excessive hits. 

Anyway, have fun.  Reading the rule book can be a bit challenging, but the words, when actually accurately reproduced by the NRA, do tend to be complete and concise. But sometimes you have to read the whole section and even reference some other sections.  However it is a great rule book.  You should try reading the USPSA / IPSC rule book and getting their certifications sometime.  That's like going to law school.

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Post by rreid on 4/1/2017, 8:39 pm

The nmc also forces everyone to shoot a slow, a timed and a rapid with the same gun. You can change gun between matches, so if they didn't have the nmc, you could use a free pistol for 50 yards and change to a semiauto for 25 yards.
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Post by bdas on 4/3/2017, 3:42 pm

While we're clarifying what a "National Match Course" is... the National Match Course is technically only when using a B-6 target at 50 yards for slow fire, and B-8 targets at 25 yards for timed and rapid fire.  If you're shooting the whole thing at 25 yards (B-16 targets for slow fire, and B-8 targets for timed and rapid), it's called an "NRA Short Course".  If you're shooting at 50ft (B-2 and B-3 targets) or at 20 yards (B-4 and B-5 targets), it's called a "Gallery Course".  See section "7. COURSES OF FIRE" for these and other thrilling details.

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Post by gregbenner on 4/6/2017, 1:42 pm

Well, I used to think that maybe I understood what it meant:roll:

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Post by Froneck on 4/6/2017, 4:50 pm

As I am told the NMC was the original pistol competition. Supposedly back when Perry and those other locations before moving the location to Perry was only Rifle. A match for pistol was developed and is still shot as the National Match. The match was split up in 3 sections which are Slow, Timed and Rapid Fire, a forth was also included is the original combination named after it beginning National Match Course. Rules and governing of this 900 course was the NRA. When started at Perry each section was shot separately but made for a loooong day on the line so it was combined and shot together.
 Yes a Fee Pistol can be used but it will have to meet the rules listed for the guns allowed. The typical Free Pistol can't be used as is, grips, barrel length and trigger weight must be as required. In addition caliber is limited to what the match is. Not many CF or .45 free pistols are available. lol!

 It's odd that where you shoot the NMC is shot last, usually it is shot right after Slow fire. Probably for convenience since the third target can simply be added at the 50 yard line. However you might check and the match your shooting is a 600. The NMC might be the match run by the CMP and points earned toward the Distinguished Medal. Those rules are quite different and at first required the 1911 Service Pistol as issued requiring a 4 pound trigger pull weight, Iron sights and shooting 230gr. Ball ammo. However in recent years rules have changed.


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Post by Aprilian on 4/6/2017, 5:12 pm

Froneck wrote: Not many CF or .45 free pistols are available. lol!
Thompson Contender?
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Post by Froneck on 4/6/2017, 5:38 pm

I'm sure the Thompson Contender can be considered a Free Pistol but the would be like comparing an Ive Johnson to Pardini.

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