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Post by 7tcu on 4/28/2017, 4:51 pm

Hello, as I am new and have tried many searches on here and else ware, I am looking for advise on buying a new pistol in 22lr. I have been looking at the Hammeril Xesse. I do not shot in any completion, just for fun and want a better gun. All I can find to are the bad opinions from some. Like, the trigger guard is plastic or maybe cast that breaks, the rear sight will not hold as the slide knocks it off target, the barrel will come loose if it gets to hot. So I don't know if this the gun for me or not. Presently I shoot a Ruger Mark lll 22/45, and  Walther GSP. As I am getting older the GSP is getting a little heavy. So I am looking for something accurate and light. Thanks for any help, I am trying to keep this pistol at $1000.


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Re: Walther/Hammerli Xesse/ S&W Model 41

Post by mspingeld on 4/28/2017, 4:59 pm

I started with an Xesse and liked it very much. I did have the issue with the trigger guard but it was an easy fix. This forum is geared toward competitive shooters so our needs may not coincide with yours. Most quality 22s are plenty accurate including your Ruger. Many Ruger shooters do choose to improve the trigger with a Volquartsen kit or a gunsmith trigger job but the accuracy is already there. If you have a 1911 I recommend you consider a 22 conversion from Nelson.

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Post by Mike38 on 4/28/2017, 5:17 pm

If you're willing to drop $1k into a pistol, you could also check into the Benelli MP95.

http://www.larrysguns.com/Products/Benelli-MP-95-Target-Pistol-(black)__Benelli-spc-MP-95EB-22.aspx

I recently bought one and so far, I'm liking it.

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Post by 7tcu on 4/28/2017, 10:05 pm

That is something to think about. I did look at the Benelli but it looks like the GSP. AS in having a heavy point out on the end of the barrel. I am trying to get something lighter out on the end of the barrel. My GSP shoots well just front end heavy.
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Post by Jon Eulette on 4/28/2017, 10:13 pm

Cut 4 flutes (one each side) on the gsp barrel and trim some fat!
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Post by 7tcu on 4/29/2017, 8:45 am

looking at the Benelli MP-95 Target Pistol I see reviews for the E model. Is this the same pistol for sale at Larry's Guns? Also I found one called the Atlanta Model.
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Post by Tim:H11 on 4/29/2017, 11:55 am

While I have no experience with the Xesse I do have some with the GSP and like it. Lightening it some is a good option. I do shoot a Nelson and love it. Very accurate and very reliable. You try a Nelson on an aluminum frame. Something that was meant for 9mm possible. It will take some changing on some parts but I think it's doable. I could be wrong. 

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Re: Walther/Hammerli Xesse/ S&W Model 41

Post by 7tcu on 4/29/2017, 1:10 pm

Hello, from Lodge 1118 Texas City, TX. I went to the range today and shot my GSP and a   fellow there had a S&W 41, he let me shoot and I think I will just get a 41. Now I have to decide if I want a new one or a used one from a certain time period. Any suggestions on which one?
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Post by Magload on 4/29/2017, 1:52 pm

7tcu wrote:Hello, from Lodge 1118 Texas City, TX. I went to the range today and shot my GSP and a   fellow there had a S&W 41, he let me shoot and I think I will just get a 41. Now I have to decide if I want a new one or a used one from a certain time period. Any suggestions on which one?
I like your classification give me someone to compete with.

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Post by jglenn21 on 4/29/2017, 5:06 pm

my personal opinion about a 41 is find a good A serial # model from the early 70s

they were pretty much hand build by long time employees
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if you want the absolute best out of it have it relined by Ten Ring Precision
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Post by 7tcu on 4/29/2017, 7:04 pm

I have found some with the 70's serial numbers, the lowest priced ones are only $245 less that a new now. I may just get a new one, I just shoot for fun and bragging rights at our city shooting range.
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Post by gregbenner on 4/29/2017, 7:22 pm

I also have several, a GSP, 2 MP90Ss and a couple 41s.  As someone who relies on a LGS to assist with tuning, maintenance, etc, I would really look hard at the 41.  They still make them, parts are usually available, lots of aftermarket stuff, grips, triggers, barrel, etc, readily available plus most any pistol smith has worked on one or several in the past. I am currently waiting some months to get a couple 9 rd mags for the Benelli (at $62 ea from Larry's)

For lighter weight, I have a Volquartson lower with a Tactical Solutions (TacSol) fluted aluminum barrel. It weights under 30 oz with a Burrris FF3 dot sight.

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Post by Mike38 on 4/29/2017, 8:09 pm

7tcu wrote:That is something to think about. I did look at the Benelli but it looks like the GSP. AS in having a heavy point out on the end of the barrel. I am trying to get something lighter out on the end of the barrel. My GSP shoots well just front end heavy.

The Benelli may look muzzle heavy, but to me it feels light. Much lighter than the High Standard Citation I have. I'm actually considering getting some weights for my Benelli.

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Post by AllAces on 4/29/2017, 8:14 pm

Go with older M41 and have Ten Ring Precision reline the barrel. With quality ammo you will have half inch groups at 50 yards.
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Re: Walther/Hammerli Xesse/ S&W Model 41

Post by nmbuzz on 4/30/2017, 5:38 pm

Hey 7tcu,  If your intent is to put your shot in the x ring whether in competition or not then you ARE a competitive shooter. If your only competition
is with yourself then good on ya.
  As an "experienced" (older) man I understand the weight issue. I have and shoot an Xesse, a Pardini, a Hammerli SP20, a MK II , a MK III, Buckmark Sillouette with bull barrel, Buckmark Camper with bull barrel  and a couple others including 45 conversions.
  In competition I have stood next to my brother, my son, and my good friend, and have scored their 850+ matches while shooting Buckmarks.
They are as accurate a pistol as you can find. A little trigger work or a Heggis flip and their triggers are just fine. They shoot HV or SV ammo
with no issues or need to change springs etc. I have NEVER seen an alibi by a Buckmark shooter. Any and all aftermarket parts and grips
are readily avalable for them.  AND.. you can buy and customize at least two of them within your budget. Think hard about the SW 41. It can be
very difficult to achieve reliability with. But a great pistol.   NMBUZZ
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Post by Doug Tiedt on 4/30/2017, 10:25 pm

nmbuzz wrote:Hey 7tcu,  If your intent is to put your shot in the x ring whether in competition or not then you ARE a competitive shooter. If your only competition
is with yourself then good on ya.
  As an "experienced" (older) man I understand the weight issue. I have and shoot an Xesse, a Pardini, a Hammerli SP20, a MK II , a MK III, Buckmark Sillouette with bull barrel, Buckmark Camper with bull barrel  and a couple others including 45 conversions.
  In competition I have stood next to my brother, my son, and my good friend, and have scored their 850+ matches while shooting Buckmarks.
They are as accurate a pistol as you can find. A little trigger work or a Heggis flip and their triggers are just fine. They shoot HV or SV ammo
with no issues or need to change springs etc. I have NEVER seen an alibi by a Buckmark shooter. Any and all aftermarket parts and grips
are readily avalable for them.  AND.. you can buy and customize at least two of them within your budget. Think hard about the SW 41. It can be
very difficult to achieve reliability with. But a great pistol.   NMBUZZ

[Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I guess I'm going to do it anyway...]
As long as we are on the subject of Buckmarks... I have a Sillouette (also with the bull barrel) and the UDX with rosewood grips.
I love the look of the UDX grips, but they are way too small for me.  Saw a buckmark competition (?) pistol at a local gunshow and
loved the fit of the bigger grips... I only had to buy the pistol with them, the dealer said. 

Does anyone know of a source of grips to fit a mens large / x-large hand size for a UDX pistol?  My understanding is that these are
different than the "camper" grips.  Not looking for ergonomic grips, just something to replace the too small factory grips.

I thought of making the UDX a possible backup bullseye pistol, but with the factory grips its impossible for me.

Thanks,
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Post by bdas on 5/2/2017, 2:11 pm

Doug Tiedt wrote:

[Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I guess I'm going to do it anyway...]
As long as we are on the subject of Buckmarks... I have a Sillouette (also with the bull barrel) and the UDX with rosewood grips.
I love the look of the UDX grips, but they are way too small for me.  Saw a buckmark competition (?) pistol at a local gunshow and
loved the fit of the bigger grips... I only had to buy the pistol with them, the dealer said. 

Does anyone know of a source of grips to fit a mens large / x-large hand size for a UDX pistol?  My understanding is that these are
different than the "camper" grips.  Not looking for ergonomic grips, just something to replace the too small factory grips.

I thought of making the UDX a possible backup bullseye pistol, but with the factory grips its impossible for me.
There are 3 Buckmark grip frames... UFX is the normal/standard/traditional one, usually found on Campers, Hunters, Field Target, and similar models.  The UFX is the largest grip frame, so usually fits larger hands the best.  The UDX has scalloped finger grooves in the metal front strap, and is the medium-sized grip frame.  The URX is the smallest grip frame, but that is often offset by putting wrap-around grips on it (many of which have molded finger grooves).  Since the UFX was the only Buckmark grip frame for a while, most after market grips for it, especially fancy target grips, are make for the UFX grip frame.  Even though the grip screw locations are the same, such grips will not fit on a UDX or URX frame without modification, and even then, they won't look nice.  There are some aftermarket grips for UDX frames, but I'm not aware of any that would significantly enlarge the grip so as to make them fit X-large hands.  

Quite possibly your best choice might be having Andrew at Precision Target Pistol Grips make you a set of custom-fit grips for your UDX grip frame.  I have no financial interest in them, but Andrew went above and beyond to help me with getting custom grips to fit my 1911, so I'm happy to recommend him, and I know he can make Buckmark grips.

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Post by Aprilian on 5/2/2017, 2:22 pm

some pictures here http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196955
and http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=656529&highlight=grip+eagle
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Post by Doug Tiedt on 5/2/2017, 3:25 pm

Thanks all.  Looks like my research was up to date, but it had been a while since I looked into options and figured if something new came out, someone on this list would know about it. Thanks for the detailed explainations; it should help others as well.  (And in fact, I was an early adopter of Andew's grips... I have the first S&W41 grip he ever made).

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Re: Walther/Hammerli Xesse/ S&W Model 41

Post by LenV on 5/3/2017, 8:25 am

7tcu wrote:Hello, from Lodge 1118 Texas City, TX. I went to the range today and shot my GSP and a   fellow there had a S&W 41, he let me shoot and I think I will just get a 41. Now I have to decide if I want a new one or a used one from a certain time period. Any suggestions on which one?
 I think you made the right decision on choosing a 41. I have both the older long barrel "A" series and the newer shorter barrel. The older A series would be my choice. Another small consideration is what you plan on doing forever with the pistol. I may have the only 41 on the range with 40 years of holster marks. Dual use out of a match grade pistol is always a plus.


Just a tiny bit of holster wear. Smile
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Post by gweber on 5/3/2017, 9:10 am

I have a new GSP Expert. It has a polymer frame and is alot lighter than the original GSP. A couple fellow shooters up here in the frozen north have the originals and have picked up both to compare. Both had a 1" ultradot with the same mount. Mine is noticably lighter.

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Post by 7tcu on 5/3/2017, 9:30 pm

My Model 41 came in today and does it have  great trigger on this thing. I am going to the range tomorrow and then clean it and give it a good dose of EEzox, it has been a while since I bought a blued gun. for now I am going back to watch the Astros whipping up on the Rangers.
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Post by Warhorse on 5/9/2017, 7:43 am

Congrats!

The S&W 41 should serve you well.

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Post by orpheoet on 5/9/2017, 8:49 am

I keep going back to my 41. Good choice.
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Post by 7tcu on 5/9/2017, 11:59 am

Yes, this 41 shoots real good, am having some ammo problems but all I read says this will ease up after a while. Seems to have a real tight chamber. I still wonder about the Walther/Hammerli Xesse. Being lighter in weight. I still might get one later. I have been watching some Trailside's on the gun auctions but I am not sure Sig backs up these guns anymore.
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