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Post by Magload on 5/30/2017, 1:51 pm

My 25-2 came in to day and I went to the range to pick it up.  I was impressed it is in far better condition then I was expecting.  I know little about grading guns but the manager at the range store or I could find a single flaw on it.  Man does it shoot nice but both of us though the trigger was really light in SA.  Light and so smooth we both fired the first shot coming into the black when we touched the trigger.  DA was smooth and easy to shoot.  I came home and my new digital scale says 2lb 2oz but did and a couple break @ 1lb 15oz.  I am not real good at using this trigger scale it isn't at all like weighing a fish.

This all leaves me with more questions and i ask to many the way it is.  A CF has to be 2.5lbs but this is a 45 that needs to be 3.5lbs.  Well unless I shoot it DA I don't meet either of those.  Please everyone enlighten me.  

Second question.  I have never had or used a moon clip revolver and had a lot of problems getting the loads to drop in.  Seams once all 5 rounds started they went right in.  Is there a trick or do I need different bullets not these SWCHPs?  Maybe more crimp?  Don
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Post by JayhawkNavy02 on 5/30/2017, 2:30 pm

2016 NRA Pistol Rules

3.3 Any .45 Caliber Semi-automatic Pistol or Revolver - Any .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol or revolver; barrel length, including cylinders, not more than 10 inches, trigger pull for revolvers not less than 2 1/2 pounds, .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol trigger pull not less than 3 1/2 pounds, 45 caliber semi-automatic pistol trigger pull not less than 3 1/2 pounds.


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Post by boatbum101 on 5/30/2017, 2:35 pm

Check the strain screw & see if it's screwed all the way in . Check the mainspring to see if its been replaced with a lighter one or narrowed to reduce strength . If spring is ribbed it's likely a Wolff reduced power spring . I can send you a stock spring if you need one . Sometime strain screw has been shortened to also reduce trigger pull weight . You can get an allen head screw @ an auto parts / hardware store to replace a short one easily as it's a standard thread / pitch screw .

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Post by Magload on 5/30/2017, 3:09 pm

Thanks to bout of you I will take a look at that spring and screw.  I would like to see about 2lb 12oz just to be on the safe side.  This and the 52-2 I bought both had triggers that was to light.  I guess their owners were not shooting BE.  Don
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Post by Chris Miceli on 5/30/2017, 3:24 pm

You should get a nra weight set and ditch the digital thing
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Post by Magload on 5/30/2017, 3:44 pm

Chris Miceli wrote:You should get a nra weight set and ditch the digital thing
I am going to digital scales are good for weighting fish.  Don
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Post by Magload on 5/30/2017, 3:53 pm

Chris Miceli wrote:You should get a nra weight set and ditch the digital thing

Chris I just ordered the $80 one from Brownells the $178 one was to high priced and I don'r need to measure above 4.5 pounds.  Don
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Post by Magload on 5/30/2017, 4:03 pm

Strain screw was all the way in and don't look shorten but as I don't know how long it should be I am only guessing.  Mainspring also looks stock but then I can't swear to that.  To change it do I back out the strain screw and just slip the spring out and slip a new one in, or am I going to end up with parts falling out.  Not that I mind learning to put another gun together but the 52-2 was a real challenge.  I seam to have bad luck with model numbers ending in -2.  I could really support a good gun smiths family if we had one around here. Don
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Post by r_zerr on 5/30/2017, 4:25 pm

Don,

Follow the steps below, in order, to get your trigger up to proper weight.
Check that the sear surfaces have not been negatively messed with: With an UNLOADED pistol, cock the gun in single action. Pushing on the hammer should not cause it to fall. If it has, then the sear surfaces need to be correcting, which could also involve new parts. Once this test is passed, then you can go to changing springs and such.


For reference, the strain screw should be a "dog point," which is to say that it should have a straight smaller diameter, un-threaded section on the front end about 3/32" long.  Verification is easily done just by taking the grips off and looking.

Verify the strain screw is as I described. If not, get a new strain screw (cheap). Chances are that if the strain screw has been shortened, you will have failure to fires on the first hit.

If your hammer cannot be pushed forward in single action, and your strain screw is correct, and all of the way in, the most likely problem is a light rebound spring. replacements can be purchased through Brownells. You will have to be confident in being able to take the sideplate off of your revolver, and as an added warning, this spring will go shooting out when you take it out, or put it in. One symptom common to this spring having been altered by an unknowing person is that the trigger does not always return all of the way forward after each shot, especially if you "ease" the trigger finger slowly forward.

To answer your last question, to remove and change out the mainspring, you will need to remove all tension placed on it by the strain screw, and then the mainspring can be removed...unhook the hammer strut by lifting and then wiggle the mainspring out. Reverse process to install....no parts should fall out. If the spring is not ribbed, thinned (shiny on any side) or otherwise altered, then this is one of the least likely sources of the problem.

The good news is that all of these springs and parts are available and not at awful prices.

-Ron

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Post by LenV on 5/30/2017, 4:35 pm

What Ron said.. wheel guns are pretty easy. I did find that it is easier if you have a rebound spring tool but they are cheap or easy to work around.

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Re: Back from the range 25-2 test.

Post by Magload on 5/30/2017, 6:29 pm

Ron all the test you listed for me to check work fine and parts look good.  I have a main spring on order as extra parts for these old guns are always a good thing to have.  I think I am going to hold of on making any changed to the gun till I get the NRA weight set in and get a good reading from it.  I shot 40 rounds today and my only problem was loading the moon clips into the cylinder.  Once I got all 5 rounds started the clip dropped right in.  The gun really shot great I am really going to enjoy shooting it.  I don't know it I need practice putting the moon clips in,  or there is a certian way to do iit.  Maybe i will just get the hang of it.  I would hate to be shooting the gun for IDPA it took forever to reload.
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Post by Wobbley on 5/30/2017, 7:53 pm

Do your individual rounds drop in? If they hang perhaps a tad more crimp.  

But sWC bullets have a tendency to hang up no matter how hard you try.  

When the bulls hang I just try to shake the whole bunch in the clip and that seems to help.

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Post by Magload on 5/30/2017, 8:13 pm

Wobbley wrote:Do your individual rounds drop in? If they hang perhaps a tad more crimp.  

But sWC bullets have a tendency to hang up no matter how hard you try.  

When the bulls hang I just try to shake the whole bunch in the clip and that seems to help.

I don't know why I didn't try that the edge of the crimp is catching on the edge of the chamber if the allignment isn't perfect.  They drop right in when centered perfect.  I will tighten the crimp up a little and guess I will get the hang to shaking them.  Don
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