New Pardini SP w/ integrated picatinny on barrel shroud.

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New Pardini SP w/ integrated picatinny on barrel shroud.

Post by zanemoseley on 6/5/2017, 7:45 pm

I've been considering the purchase of a SP .22/.32 Bullseye combo. One of the main issues as you guys know is mounting rings for a red dot especially on the .32acp since the rings are known to slip. I was checking on options today, I spoke with both Larry's and BME, both said they no longer make scope mounts for the Pardini. Larry suggested I call PardiniUSA as they might offer rails. 

So I spoke with Vladimir at PardiniUSA. He said they were about to release an updated SP for Bullseye use with an integrated picatinny rail in the barrel shroud. It wasn't clear how far back the rail would extend however he did mention possibly having to use 2 scope rings on the front half of the red dot so sounds like it wouldn't extend as far as the old Larry's rail. He mentioned this would get the dot lower than if using a rail adapter. My only concern without seeing more info is possible balance issues if it requires the dot to be mounted too far forward, some of this could be offset by removing some of the 6 counterweights. On the plus side this will allow using a dot for each caliber so you won't have to juggle adjustments as much, just your standard 25 to 50 yard adjustments. Plus you won't have to buy an additional $200 worth of rails and possibly have to have a brand new gun drilled & tapped.

Vladimir did seem a bit defensive though. When I mentioned scope rings slipping he blamed it on people using the wrong scope rings (not Pardini rings) however I swear I've heard of issues using their rings as well. I also asked him if there had been any adjustment in the slightly oversized bore on their .32acp for the new model, he stated it was a propitiatory tapered bore however it seems if it were tapered when people slugged their bore it would measure the smallest diameter but I hear most barrels measure out close to .314". 

Anyway, its good to see Pardini is improving their product for the US bullseye market. I'll be eagerly awaiting pictures and reviews from early adopters.

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Post by zanemoseley on 6/7/2017, 6:33 pm

I'm surprised there is no interest in this news. It seems the scope mounting issues were one of the top complaints I read about the SP lineup.

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Post by Chris Miceli on 6/7/2017, 6:42 pm

Kodiak mount is the fix KC posted some photos of it, personally I like the way Keefer did his.
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Post by Jon Eulette on 6/7/2017, 6:45 pm

If you are doing 2 calibers having a scope mounted to each barrel is a good thing. There are zeroing issues when swapping calibers.
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Post by zanemoseley on 6/7/2017, 6:50 pm

You beat me to it Jon. The new KC Kodiak mount would be great with a dedicated pistol but with 2 calibers it will sure be nice to have separate dots mounted on the shroud.

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Post by carykiteboarder on 6/7/2017, 7:51 pm

Jon,
I have tremendous respect for your knowledge and I'm a fairly new shooter.  Could you please articulate the issues?  If the issues you cite are the fact that significant sight changes are required, I agree. With my current mount, .32ACP zero at 50yds is 17 clicks up from .22LR 50yd zero and .32ACP at 25yds is down 8 clicks from there.  If your issue is having to remember to make the sight change, I also agree so I've made sight change part of my protocol for changing caliber.  Is there something further that I need to know?

I've been shooting both .22LR and .32ACP with a single Aimpoint.  I have four marks for elevation (.22LR 50yd & 25yd; .32 50yd & 25yd) and two marks for windage (.22LR, .32ACP).  

Prior to upgrading to Aimpoint, I also used a single Ultradot for two calibers on the same frame.  The ultradot did not require windage adjustment but I attribute that to the fact that the Ultradot was properly centered and level on the frame.  When I get my new Kodiak Machine Aimpoint mount, I hope the Aimpoint will also end up centered and level.
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Post by zanemoseley on 6/7/2017, 8:13 pm

Glen, it's just a lot to keep up with. Its obviously not impossibly since you've proved to do it. You have 8 different combinations of knob adjustments with your markings. Worst case scenario is you're mid match and realize you didn't make an adjustment properly then you're stuck playing catch up with the scope instead of focusing on shooting. I could see it not being a big issue if you're really disciplined with your process.

If the new rail integrated shroud ends up putting too much weight out front the best bet may still be going with KC's new mount.

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Post by carykiteboarder on 6/7/2017, 9:18 pm

Zane,
Yes, I see that it could seem complicated.  What works for me...
.22LR marks are in black.  25yd settings are DOWN from 50yd settings.  
.32ACP marks are in red.  25yd settings are DOWN from 50yd settings.

Since I'm accustomed to having two marks (50yd & 25yd) for every bullseye gun, I just need to be on the right color marks for the caliber.  The two red (.32) elevation marks are both UP from the black .22 marks since the .22LR velocities are a good bit higher.

If I forget to make sight changes between .22 and .32, it's obvious on the first slow fire Center Fire shot.  A shot called "X" will be 9-ring at 11 o'clock.  If that's the only point I lose at the 50yd line, I'm having a very good day.


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Post by zanemoseley on 6/7/2017, 10:22 pm

Glen, aren't the knob caps pretty tiny on the Aimpoint, I know the Matchdot knob cap is pretty small. Do you try to engrave it an bit then paint it? I guess I could see having the exact number of clicks written down on your box then just using the colored marks to make sure you're in the correct general area.

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Post by zanemoseley on 6/27/2017, 1:06 pm

Well they've posted pictures of the new model with the picatinny shroud.





With the rail being so far forward and as short as it is it kind of seems like a reflex sight might be the way to go since they're only about an ounce. Even an aimpoint micro will add almost 4oz to the front of the gun. You can remove the counter weights in the front I suppose to offset the weight but I don't know how much they weigh.

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Post by mpolans on 6/27/2017, 1:49 pm

For balance and aesthetics, that looks god awful. I can't think of a worse way to do that, unless they're also including a cantilevered scope mount that extends rearward. I'd think the ideal solution would've been to just machine a weaver rail into the frame, but perhaps there wasn't enough meat in frame, or they were concerned it would make it too bullseye-centric and would ruin things for folks shooting iron sights in ISSF and CMP EIC events.

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Post by zanemoseley on 6/29/2017, 9:37 pm

It's also showing that these new picatinny bullseye pistols are 6" not 5". I've been communicating with Alex at Pardini and he claims they reballanced it to make the 6" perform like the 5". 

He said the steel counter weights are 17 grams each times 6 weights. So you could remove them all and gain 3.6 ounces up front, almost exactly what the standard 30mm ultradot weighs. The only weird thing is that due to the short picatinny rail you'll have to put both mounts on the front of the dot.

I'll definitely be waiting for feedback from early adopters before dropping the change on a 22/32 combo.

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