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Post by Jon Math on 7/27/2017, 1:21 pm

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I’m very new to shooting indoor 50 foot gallery style rim fire matches.  I’ve only shot five and cannot break 200.  With an air pistol at 10 meters or my free pistol at 50 YDS. I’ll shoot in the mid 500’s without a lot of thought; this .22 semi is eating me alive I’m afraid.

I’m shooting irons and using the same sub six o’clock hold I use in the other disciplines, should I be using a center hold with the gallery course of fire?     As it is now the slow fire scores are my saviors as I treat that like a quicker AP match; but my rapid and timed shots are total disasters, I’ve even missed the paper with some shots.     Honestly I’d be better shooting slow, scoring 9’s and 10’s and not getting enough shots off, than what I’m doing now.
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Post by jmdavis on 8/14/2017, 12:27 pm

With the updated trigger, purchased because the original MP95 trigger self destructed, I still only have 1100 in my MP. 

If you are going to shoot ortho grips, you need to fit them. That's just how it is. If you want to shoot slabs, you don't. I shoot slabs on the 1911. And these days I am shooting it as well as the Benelli.
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Post by Guest on 8/14/2017, 10:52 pm

I am very interested in Gallery matches, especially air conditioned. I am partially disabled, use a wheeled walker, and have to tote an oxygen bottle. The rangemaster at the outdoor range was concerned about my navigating all the way out and back across the rocks, sticks, and grass so many times. I am concerned about the Florida heat/humidity. I have to go out back in the early morning or about 7:00-8:00 PM to practice with my .177 break-barrel pellet pistol on the back porch. I have no problem inside my local facility.

I have searched the net but have found no Gallery matches in Florida. Can anyone please reply with info or links?

Also, I have searched for details of a typical Gallery match, and here is all I have found about these matches:

"NRA Gallery Course

It has a single 10 minute, 10-shot slow-fire stage and two five-shot strings each of timed- and rapid-fire. With preparation periods, one relay can take less than 20 minutes."

My questions are how many minutes for each of the  five shot strings and what are the distances for each of the three stages mentioned?

Thank you in advance for your wisdom.

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Post by Jon Math on 8/15/2017, 6:07 am

Where I shoot, and it might not be the case everywhere, the match director always seems to be late for a hot date and you need to be pretty snappy to keep up with him.  I have trouble refilling my magazines, and getting the new target out between sections, as prep time is just about non-existent.  If everyone is done shooting slow fire before the 10 minutes he’ll sound the buzzer and move on to the next sequence so that could be first slow sequence might be only 5 minutes long one week and the full ten the next depending on who is shooting. They frequently are waiting for me as I do take a longer time with my slow shots, but I do find myself rushing them because everyone starts milling about and I feel embarrassed so I pop off the last few much faster than I would like to get it over and not be holding up the procession.

I don’t know the times, but 25 minutes for an entire relay is a long one for us.
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Post by Chris Miceli on 8/15/2017, 6:58 am

wesleytilson@gmail.com wrote:I am very interested in Gallery matches, especially air conditioned. I am partially disabled, use a wheeled walker, and have to tote an oxygen bottle. The rangemaster at the outdoor range was concerned about my navigating all the way out and back across the rocks, sticks, and grass so many times. I am concerned about the Florida heat/humidity. I have to go out back in the early morning or about 7:00-8:00 PM to practice with my .177 break-barrel pellet pistol on the back porch. I have no problem inside my local facility.

I have searched the net but have found no Gallery matches in Florida. Can anyone please reply with info or links?

Also, I have searched for details of a typical Gallery match, and here is all I have found about these matches:

"NRA Gallery Course

It has a single 10 minute, 10-shot slow-fire stage and two five-shot strings each of timed- and rapid-fire. With preparation periods, one relay can take less than 20 minutes."

My questions are how many minutes for each of the  five shot strings and what are the distances for each of the three stages mentioned?

Thank you in advance for your wisdom.
In the back of the Shooting Sports USA monthly magazine for a link to matches listed by the NRA.
https://www.ssusa.org/
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         Monthly Magazine
             last few pages of magazine blue box "download entire coming event list"

https://www.ssusa.org/coming-events/
  Bottom of page coming events and a month is listed
   another page will load with a pdf 

Look for indoor sectionals or indoor conventional matches listed

I believe indoor gallery and sectionals are 22only 50ft and the normal courses of fire 900s unless its a league event where it could be a NMC or double NMC or maybe a full 900.
Indoor matches can range from just a 900 to a full 2700 at 50ft or 25yard or 50/25yard.

I'm surprised that someone hasn't volunteered to go down and score and repair targets for you.
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Post by Jon Math on 8/15/2017, 2:58 pm

I'm surprised that someone hasn't volunteered to go down and score and repair targets for you.

I am too, that's a bit disappointing.
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Post by 285wannab on 8/15/2017, 3:10 pm

Jon, when the command of "Is the line ready" speak up and say NO.  Don't be rushed...... Also, you have ten minutes for slow fire.  If you need it use it.

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Post by Jon Math on 8/15/2017, 3:26 pm

285wannab wrote:Jon, when the command of "Is the line ready" speak up and say NO.  Don't be rushed...... Also, you have ten minutes for slow fire.  If you need it use it.

Thanks.  I'm new to this club and type of shooting so I really don't want to become a problem.  As long as I'm not going to hurt anyone I do my part to keep things rolling.  When he really gets too fast someone usually tells him to hold his horses.
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Post by Jon Math on 8/16/2017, 6:35 am

Finally broke 200 last night with a 256 score.  Getting there, but still a lot of work to do.

Thanks again to everyone here for all the great advise.
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Post by Jon Math on 9/6/2017, 10:27 am

Well, I’m going in the right direction -- I have shot the last three matches into the mid to high 200’s.  I’d be happier if my slow fire score did not fall apart like it has.  I was shooting them in the 90’s, the last few matches they have dropped into the 80’s but my timed and rapid scores have picked up the slack and then some.  If I ever put it all together I’ll be dangerous Very Happy
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Post by rich.tullo on 9/6/2017, 11:35 am

Do not worry about score worry about process. Do Marine Corp Drills on the blank and small target. Do dummy drills too. Flow. is continuous trigger movement. Jon and others are way better than me but if you are shooting 90's in SF then the rest should be cake. 

For a long time I have not worked on my sustained fire but as I improve to the mid 90's in SF those scores have improved too. If you are not shooting 90 to 95 in SF my suggestion is to get those scores up, work on your trigger feel and stance ect to provide a foundation. Personally in Sustained fire I would rather shoot a 95 with 5 nines then a 95 with a 7 and an 8 its about shrinking the group size once you get some consistency. 

How heavy is your trigger is it exactly #2 or is it #5 too heavy or too light can make a difference in the transition? If you are staging the trigger in SF maybe that is the issue? 

Once the trigger is moving you must concentrate on that front sight 100% even after the shot breaks. Yer Yev told a friend of mine pulling the trigger is like a Russian Ice Breaker once it starts is cannot stop and has to be consistent in the pace of it, otherwise you have to cancel the shot.

I recently heard a very high master shoot a RF alibi and he shot 2 shots, then 2 more shots and 1 shot you can almost time music to his cadence. I need to be doing drills but I suspect a shot process like that is where I will end up.
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Post by Jon Math on 10/3/2017, 7:08 am

I was shooting a lot of free and air pistol -- which are iron sighted, single shot, and slow fire machines. I thought the fundamentals of pistol transferred but that was only half true.  I have put them aside for the time being to concentrate only on the Bullseye pistol.  That pistol is red dot sighted and the course of fire is significantly different.  I was losing ground with the ISSF stuff and not improving with the Bullseye when doing everything so I decided to focus on one.     

I’ve sold some equipment and have a new Bullseye pistol arriving this week.  I don’t expect miracles but I it will have the correct trigger to learn on, a grip that will fit with a bit of adjusting, and it should function better than what I was using -- as alibis and I were becoming way to common, plus if I give up Bullseye it is a fine sport pistol.   

I’m getting used to the fast pace of Bullseye matches, and having finally broke 200 am consistently shooting in the mid 200’s – now only 50 more points to perfection.   Not sure I have enough years left for that Very Happy          
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Post by Chris Miceli on 10/3/2017, 8:14 am

Jon Math wrote:I was shooting a lot of free and air pistol -- which are iron sighted, single shot, and slow fire machines. I thought the fundamentals of pistol transferred but that was only half true.  I have put them aside for the time being to concentrate only on the Bullseye pistol.  That pistol is red dot sighted and the course of fire is significantly different.  I was losing ground with the ISSF stuff and not improving with the Bullseye when doing everything so I decided to focus on one.     

I’ve sold some equipment and have a new Bullseye pistol arriving this week.  I don’t expect miracles but I it will have the correct trigger to learn on, a grip that will fit with a bit of adjusting, and it should function better than what I was using -- as alibis and I were becoming way to common, plus if I give up Bullseye it is a fine sport pistol.   

I’m getting used to the fast pace of Bullseye matches, and having finally broke 200 am consistently shooting in the mid 200’s – now only 50 more points to perfection.   Not sure I have enough years left for that Very Happy          

I recently started both last month. If anything air has helped my slow fires.  Air and free have been so punishing its reinforcing putting the gun down.
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Post by Jon Math on 10/3/2017, 8:37 am

I was shooting the Bullseye pistol iron sighted, and treating it like a free pistol in slow fire.  I had very good scores, but the timed and rapid sections were eating me alive.  I was considering putting a scope on my air pistol and detuning the trigger for practice but decided to put them both aside and just learn the Bullseye pistol. My slow fire scores dropped (much more than I like to admit) but my timed and rapid have significantly improved.  I have put out groups in those stages that, if centered, would have been very close to cleaning targets, the red dot and I just have not come to an understanding yet. I do plan on returning to the FP and AP once I get the Bullseye mastered (or at least under control to the point I understand what is going on with off call shots) and I do believe then the three disciplines will complement each other, at the level I am now that was not the case for me.
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