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Post by Chris Miceli on 8/13/2017, 3:51 pm

I accomplished something i set out to do the first time i picked up a wadgun last year. Thanks to all the master and high master shooters like (Jon, John, Cecil, Dan, Jim..and i'm sure i missed many)here that post their thoughts on shooting and what it takes to shoot well. I never had any real hands on coaching, just what i've read from the AMU book, pistol shooters treasury, posts by top shooters, and figured out myself.  I'd especially like to thank Jon Eulette and KC Crawford for building quality pistols. 

Key things that worked for me. 

Learn to call your shots call the ring and position. Discover why they aren't where you called them. 

Don't take the bad shots in slowfire, put the gun down and start over if you get an indicator its not going well. For me, its if the though enters my brains i can make this a 10.

Keep the trigger moving, I am putting pressure on the trigger before i enter the 10 ring, it looks like its the 8 ring (slow fire) 9 ring (timed and rapid).

Know you have good gear. If you always doubt your gun or ammo how can you honestly call yourself out on errors you're making and correct them.

Keep hydrated and have some snacks during the match.

Grip that pistol, this added 10 points easy to each slowfire. I struggled with shots going places i didn't call them. This fixed it for me.

Trigger depressing speed was faster at times than other shots. When the hold was outstanding i could take my time to press the trigger, during other shots i was a little quicker on it.

Actually concentrate and focus on the target or dot through the entire shot. At times i would have a shot print outside the call and i'm sure this was the issue.   

10 seconds is plenty of time in rapid fire, don't rush those shots. For me that day the first shot broke and the rest just followed, didn't feel rushed and i didn't feel like i was picking at the center of the target. Was getting on the trigger while coming back in the black and i had this short dwell in the 10ring and it broke.  

Don't be afraid to adjust your position throughout the match. Something as little as adjusting your big toe can help at times.
  
Shot some personal bests today, 22 and 45 for CF/45.

22. 876-40
CF. 886-41
45. 867-30

2629-111  new member of the 2600 club 8/13/17


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Post by joy2shoot on 8/13/2017, 3:55 pm

Congratulations Chris and thanks for sharing your thoughts on what worked for you.

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Post by SmokinNJokin on 8/13/2017, 3:57 pm

Congratulations dude, awesome scores! I love to see a fellow forum member and bullseye shooter succeed and not get stuck at expert. I hope to follow in your footsteps soon now that I am home for good.

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Post by CR10X on 8/13/2017, 4:00 pm

Congratulations! Great shooting and really good X count too.  Blew right past that 2600 mark!  Even if all the aggs were 867, would have broken 2600 anyway!

Again, Congratulations.  Be sure to get everything down in you journal / notebook.

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Post by Chris Miceli on 8/13/2017, 4:06 pm

In thinking back, it felt like an AH HA moment when i rediscovered gripping the gun hard. It really does tighten the groups and keep them on call. This match i actively assessed my grip every slow fire shot and string. previously match scores were 2560s with a high of 2567.
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Post by Mightyheb on 8/13/2017, 4:46 pm

Way to go Chris. That is awesome. It was only a matter of time. When we talk I can feel your dedication. Also thank you for all the advice you have been giving me. I hope to jump out of marksman soon. I'm having fun no matter what.
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Post by john bickar on 8/13/2017, 5:01 pm

Congrats and welcome to the club.

Cecil is right: write down everything you can think of about today, no matter how mundane it seems. And then set aside some time first thing tomorrow morning to write some more once you've slept on it.
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Post by joy2shoot on 8/13/2017, 5:07 pm

Chris Miceli wrote:In thinking back, it felt like an AH HA moment when i rediscovered gripping the gun hard. It really does tighten the groups and keep them on call. This match i actively assessed my grip every slow fire shot and string. previously match scores were 2560s with a high of 2567.

This is not the first time I heard someone say that gripping the gun hard helped them jump to the next level.  For whatever reason, I find it difficult/not as easy to grip hard when I use the European style grips.

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Post by DennyK on 8/13/2017, 5:34 pm

I shot next to Chris today and had the pleasure of scoring his targets.  A quality individual and competitor, and cool as a cucumber. Congratulations again Chris on your AWESOME achievement. I'd be proud to shoot with you again any time.............Denny

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Post by Magload on 8/13/2017, 5:51 pm

Nice shooting Chris.  I might be there some day just wish I was progressing as fast as you have.  Don
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Post by JoeW on 8/13/2017, 6:55 pm

Way to go, Chris! It's been a ton of fun shooting with you these past few months. Personally, I'd like to think your recent progress was perpetuated by you watching me do everything wrong, and then making mental notes to do the opposite. Seriously though, what a terrific achievement! Now go do it again, and again.

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Post by Multiracer on 8/13/2017, 7:03 pm

              

Congrats on the 2600+ score.

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Post by Chris Miceli on 8/13/2017, 7:06 pm

JoeW wrote:Way to go, Chris! It's been a ton of fun shooting with you these past few months. Personally, I'd like to think your recent progress was perpetuated by you watching me do everything wrong, and then making mental notes to do the opposite. Seriously though, what a terrific achievement! Now go do it again, and again.
Like me and stock purchases, if you ever want to make a ton of money, just do the opposite of me.
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Post by ChipEck on 8/13/2017, 7:36 pm

Way to go!
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Post by JKR on 8/13/2017, 8:04 pm

Terrific scores Chris! Congratulations! They're all awesome, but that CF score...WOW!!

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Post by Chris Miceli on 8/13/2017, 8:30 pm

JKR wrote:Terrific scores Chris! Congratulations! They're all awesome, but that CF score...WOW!!

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I looked at Denny when he handed me the score card in shock, made him double check the math haha
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Post by JD Mahan on 8/13/2017, 8:47 pm

Chris,

Awesome shooting. What gun did you shoot the Centerfire match with? (Because obviously I need to run out and buy one)

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Post by Chris Miceli on 8/13/2017, 9:09 pm

JD Mahan wrote:Chris,

Awesome shooting. What gun did you shoot the Centerfire match with? (Because obviously I need to run out and buy one)
1911 45acp 6" by Jon Eulette. His load of 200 lswc 3.8BE ( I used zeros but hardcast works the same from this gun) I usually load down for the short line (3.4BE)but didn't have time so used the longline load the whole course.
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Post by JD Mahan on 8/13/2017, 9:24 pm

Thanks. Again, very impressive and inspiring

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Post by robert84010 on 8/13/2017, 9:51 pm

Good job Chris.

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Post by Wobbley on 8/14/2017, 8:28 am


Way to go!

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Post by STEVE SAMELAK on 8/14/2017, 8:58 am

Excellent tools
Excellent coaching
You still had to pull the trigger 
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Post by Easy Ed on 8/14/2017, 10:49 am

Chris Miceli wrote:
JD Mahan wrote:Chris,

Awesome shooting. What gun did you shoot the Centerfire match with? (Because obviously I need to run out and buy one)
1911 45acp 6" by Jon Eulette. His load of 200 lswc 3.8BE ( I used zeros but hardcast works the same from this gun) I usually load down for the short line (3.4BE)but didn't have time so used the longline load the whole course.

Congrats on the awesome score! And the CF score wasn't even with the 32!

Is it possible that the slightly hotter load was getting better results because it was leaving the barrel more quickly and, thus, not allowing the direction of the barrel to be upset by recoil prior to the bullet leaving the barrel?

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Post by Jon Eulette on 8/14/2017, 11:05 am



Is it possible that the slightly hotter load was getting better results because it was leaving the barrel more quickly and, thus, not allowing the direction of the barrel to be upset by recoil prior to the bullet leaving the barrel?

First: Great Shooting Chris! Congratulations on breaking 2600 and hammering a great CF score.

Second: At 25 yds the bullet velocity between 3.4 and 3.8 powder charges has miniscule to zero effect on accuracy.
Shooter error is shooter error regardless of velocity. Higher velocities have larger errors on target when shooting from hand. He had to work harder on shortline with the 3.8 load vs. 3.4. That pistol with 3.4 is a dream to shoot.
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Post by Chris Miceli on 8/14/2017, 11:10 am

Easy Ed wrote:
Chris Miceli wrote:
JD Mahan wrote:Chris,

Awesome shooting. What gun did you shoot the Centerfire match with? (Because obviously I need to run out and buy one)
1911 45acp 6" by Jon Eulette. His load of 200 lswc 3.8BE ( I used zeros but hardcast works the same from this gun) I usually load down for the short line (3.4BE)but didn't have time so used the longline load the whole course.

Congrats on the awesome score!  And the CF score wasn't even with the 32!

Is it possible that the slightly hotter load was getting better results because it was leaving the barrel more quickly and, thus, not allowing the direction of the barrel to be upset by recoil prior to the bullet leaving the barrel?

200lswc 3.8 is a manageable recoil for me. I would of normally used a 3.4BE load for shortline but didn't have time to load it up before the match. Dr. Kang mentioned something to me.... i'll try not to distort his words as best as i can.  I believe his words were something like "if you had 2 weeks to study for a final exam, you'd probably end up just craming last minute."" He made mention to find an accurate load that allows for you to not rush or take too much time getting those shots off, a manageable accurate load at 25 that keeps you in the groove and getting the shots on target, not rushing or picking at the shots....or i think he said something like that.

  I found myself getting in trouble at times with a softer load...i had so much time i would use it all and feel rushed at the end. I was picking at the X ring for timed and rapid fire, to the point i was rushing to skid in the 5th shot on timed and rapid many times. Also i was noticing in timed fire it felt like i was holding my respiratory pause too long and was taking a breath in the middle of a timed fire string. 

 I need to work on trigger control and time management, it would be an advantage to use a lighter load for 25.
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