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Post by 285wannab on Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:07 pm

I thought I would ask how everyone that has a two stage has it set up....

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Post by Chris Miceli on Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:15 pm

Yeah Where I can't feel the second stage, all the weight is in the first stage and a little bit more weight it goes off. No noticeable stop or wall for the second stage. It's got a good bit of length to the pull, it does have a long reset that I don't care for, only way i can find to shorten reset is make it a normal 2 stage trigger.
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Post by LenV on Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Was never happy with a two stage.


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Post by 285wannab on Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:17 pm

Any Pardini guys out there using their second stage?
Last year I ran mine as a single stage.  A quarter inch roll I would say.
This time trying to use the second stage.  First stage is a pound with about a 1/4 inch movement.  Second stage is about a pound with maybe a 1/64 movement.  And having a hard time getting to like it.

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Post by Jon Eulette on Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:28 pm

In my opinion the Pardini cannot be set up as true 2 stage trigger.  I spent many hours adjusting trigger and shooting the pistol and never liked the trigger. Tried various rolls and tried to get a 2 stage out of it. It was close but never liked it. Closest thing I could say is the trigger gives no feedback. It feels lifeless. I sold the pistol because we never became friends. Great short line trigger but horrible for the long line. I've never tried so hard to like a pistol. I'd shoot a Ruger MKii before I ever shot another Pardini. 
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Post by Magload on Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:59 pm

Jon I am glad you said that I have a Mark III with a VQ trigger so now I will never have to buy a Pardini if my Nelson won't shoot High Grand Master.  Don
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Post by Chris Miceli on Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:35 pm

Magload wrote:Jon I am glad you said that I have a Mark III with a VQ trigger so now I will never have to buy a Pardini if my Nelson won't shoot High Grand Master.  Don
It never will, only because I've never heard of a high grand master Smile
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Post by 285wannab on Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:15 pm

The gun is so adjustable, the trigger position and the ability to change the weights in the barrel. Those two things are such a plus.   To bad I can't like the trigger more.

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Post by Jon Eulette on Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:34 pm

285wannab wrote:The gun is so adjustable, the trigger position and the ability to change the weights in the barrel. Those two things are such a plus.   To bad I can't like the trigger more.
A Master level shooter will always choose a pistol with an exceptional trigger over the most accurate, best grip, etc. Trigger control is most crucial skill to shooting great scores. All the masters/high masters I know shooting the Pardini really don't like the trigger. 
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Post by Magload on Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:36 pm

Chris Miceli wrote:
Magload wrote:Jon I am glad you said that I have a Mark III with a VQ trigger so now I will never have to buy a Pardini if my Nelson won't shoot High Grand Master.  Don
It never will, only because I've never heard of a high grand master Smile
Don't you get to tack Grand on after the age of 70?  Don
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Post by Chris Miceli on Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:45 pm

Magload wrote:
Chris Miceli wrote:
Magload wrote:Jon I am glad you said that I have a Mark III with a VQ trigger so now I will never have to buy a Pardini if my Nelson won't shoot High Grand Master.  Don
It never will, only because I've never heard of a high grand master Smile
Don't you get to tack Grand on after the age of 70?  Don
Marksman through highmaster are nra classifications. The others junior,women,Grand senior are special categories, that may or may not be recognized. It depends on how the match is setup
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Post by LenV on Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:06 pm

Hey Chris, I am 67. If I shoot 2650 three matches in a row what would be my classification? Warning, trick question.
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Post by jmdavis on Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:18 am

Senior, High Master.
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Post by LenV on Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:52 am

No. I mean I don't think so. I think I would still be a Lifetime Master. Not sure if they have any rules that would allow them to change it. I did mention that it was a trick question. Not something I am going to lose a lot of sleep worrying about since 2500s are getting tougher.

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Post by Wobbley on Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:01 am

I believe that if you're reclassified to high master the Lifetime Master you have ends.  The question becomes if you get classified lower can you reclaim it?

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Post by Ghillieman on Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:43 am

I have a two stage trigger on my service rifle, 4lb first stage and a .75lb second stage with minimal travel.

But that's with a rifle.

With a bullseye pistol you want a steady squeeze. Anything that gets in the way of that steady squeeze is just in the way, including two stage triggers. I have found that a two stage trigger in a pistol encourages a person to jerk the trigger, and jerking the trigger in bullseye is the kiss of death.

The Pardini SP has the most adjustable trigger out there, maybe rivaled by my Anschutz. I have adjusted it all sorts of different ways and have finally settled on a +2lb copy of my 1911 trigger. A very short roll, minimal overtravel, minimal reset.
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Post by Chris Miceli on Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:53 am

LenV wrote:Hey Chris, I am 67. If I shoot 2650 three matches in a row what would be my classification? Warning, trick question.
Stop sandbagging in Master Len Smile
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Post by james r chapman on Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:04 am

3 straight 2650's over age 70 gets you
Exalted Grand Senior Highest Master with oak clusters...
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Post by Wobbley on Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:52 am

james r chapman wrote:3 straight 2650's over age 70 gets you
Exalted Grand Senior Highest Master with oak clusters...
You're going to Hell for that.  Oh wait, you're  already there!   lol!

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Post by gregbenner on Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:17 pm

It seems I may be one of the few who actually like a 2 stage trigger. However, I am new to BE shooting.

I am a bit confused by all the negative comments though. I was under the impression, perhaps false, that at the big national events, (e.g. Perry) the majority of the top shooters used pistols with two stage triggers. I "thought" Pardini was a big favorite. Since the Nelson and Marvel conversions are so accurate why don't all the top shooters used a 1911-22?  Or, are my assumptions wrong as usual, and they do?

I have two 1911 conversions (Marvel and Nelson) and they are super nice, but I like the two stage trigger on my GSP better (I find the Pardini trigger to be a bit "spongy" in comparison to it).

In response to the initial question, mine are set up at either 2 or 2.5 lbs total pull (depending on whether it is also used for CF), approximately 2/3 of that on stage 1. At that point, I like a crisp stage 2, which I cannot seem to get on either the Pardini or AW93, although the Pardini is better than the AW 93.

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Post by Froneck on Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:45 pm

I'm not sure Pardini has the most adjustable trigger available. My MatchGun 2 is super adjustable. I don't think there is anything that can't be adjusted on the trigger, heck even the sear pressure on the 2 sears can be adjusted. I think there is too many adjustments in that making adjustments get complicated. The AW 93 is also very adjustable but when attempting to adjust can get to a point where the hammer falls due to a rather heavy spring on the transfer bar that's used to force the hammer sear into the hammer hook slot. (Bad Design) I did solve the spongy feel and mine feels very good.  I had a Walther with drop in trigger that was also very adjustable.
 As for me I don't like 2 stage, if on something like the 1911 I keep take-up weight low then have small movement "roll" to a crisp release, I don't like that rapidly lowering weight release.
 Adam didn't make Mayleigh Cup this year at Perry so I wasn't there to watch. However last year all the shooters on the team were shooting 208S except Zinns that shot the AW-93

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Post by 285wannab on Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:21 pm

Well I adjusted my trigger.  So now its a total of 1/4" of movement.  Pretty close to being an 1/8" of pull for the first stage and an 1/8" of pull for the second stage.
It holds just over 2lbs.  And I think it's about a 1lb for each stage.
My plan isn't to pull thought both stages  but take up the first stage then come into the black and bang a 10. lol
Anyways sounds good on paper.
Maybe Alex can chime in and tell us how they adjust their Pardinis.

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Post by davekp on Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:34 am

I have my guns with 2-stage triggers set up with a very light first stage and heavy second stage- that way the first stage is like taking up the slack on a 1911.

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